7e trimmer probs

auggybendoggy wrote on 7/9/2007, 9:28 PM
Now listen to me lain myers, I'm no dummy. I've been in high school for 7 years now...

(what movie is that from?)

ok the trimmer...

I use this to take one whole clip meaning this...

If I tape some footage (single camera) I capture the footage as a single clip with no splits and then open in the trimmer.
I then trim sections out and begin working with these subclips.

What else is the trimmer used for?

Are there other uses? What about dual camera? I've only done work this way and am wondering if the trimmer is capable of opening 2 video clips? Perhaps more than 1 trimmer can be opened?
Perhaps I'm totally off and don't understand the full power of the trimmer?

Can someone enlighten me a bit so that as I open my manaul it will make a bit more sense.

Aug

Comments

Chienworks wrote on 7/10/2007, 12:45 AM
I last used the trimmer about 2 minutes after the first time i used Vegas, so take what i say with a grain of salt ...

No, you can't open more than one clip at a time in the trimmer. If you want to work with mutliple clips then use the multitrack timeline; that's what it's for. The trimmer is just a way to choose what part of a clip you want to put on the timeline.

There is a feature you might want to investigate though, which is that you can define subclips in the trimmer. These subclips get added to the media pool as if they were separate clips. So, if all your scenes are in one single AVI file, you can still have them listed separately in the media pool. Sorry, i don't know how to do this; i've never found a need to look into it. I do all my trimming right on the timeline and work quite fast and happily that way.
auggybendoggy wrote on 7/11/2007, 9:45 PM
chien,
you are certainly well learned as I've respected your advice for some years now.

You answer my qustion that the Idea is exactly right on the money.
I wasn't sure if I was missing something or if there was some deeper techniqe to creating a video.

Your explanation is exactly how I use it and I've even used the subclips as I find it a bit nice to make all subclips from the trimmer so I have only my good stuff in the media pool to work with...

However it can get quite messy with 100's of subclips.

So trying to manage the project can be a bit of a task.

Thank you for your insight, I do appreciate it and I will no longer worry that I'm missing some part of this trimmer.

Aug
farss wrote on 7/11/2007, 10:09 PM
The way (in theory, never really done this) to manage 100s of clips (or in our case subclips) is through bins. The name goes back to the days of film when it was cut and hung on hooks with the ends dangling into bins.
For multicam, look to UltimateS, InfinitiCam or Excalibur. All those make any number of cams as simple as it gets ourside of Avid land.
Grazie wrote on 7/12/2007, 12:15 AM

I use Trim to SCRUB chunks of video AWAY from the timeline.

This ways I ain't confusing myself ON the timeline - but that's me.

I like the way I can scratch/scrub and generally dig out and let play a sequence away from the "assembly-point" of the Timeline.

I like the way I can do cutaways, by doing the same thing to. I find my "transitional" work - going from ONE instance in time to another - crucially benefits from me ACTUALLY having the sequence separate from the MAIN event.

I didn't START using Trimmer. I discounted it and didn't understand just what the purpose of it was and found it counter-intuitive from my then clumsy approaches to editing. But now, I most certainly use it as THE only way I can get at my narrative. And that, for me, is only, ONLY what I want to achieve. Telling a story in an engaging meaningful way. Engaged clients can mean, more work. More work means I can pay bills and . . .Remember it's "Show Biz"! No Show - No Biz ( Thanks Vic!)

Timeline<>Trimmer Split-Screen Previewing!!
The more relevant tools, within Vegas ( viz John Meyer's DeShake Script - within Vegas yes? ), I can get my hands on to do my stuff, then they're for me. What I WOULD, truly, TRULY adore is a split screen editing option up there in PREVIEW that I could marry before and after Timeline Cursor Views WITH that which I was working on within Trimmer. Already we have have split screen editing within Timeline editing. NOW, how about SPLIT screen "Up-to-Cursor" from Trimmer and "Away-From-Cursor" from Trimmer? Meaning, having the Trimmer relating DIRECTLY to the Timeline. Once this could happen - woah!!!!! - As we already have split screen editing for timeline activity, something like this I would hope would be achievable? can you imnagine - I can - on the left side of the Preview IS the place where the Timeline Cursor IS. On the right hand side is the piece you are scrubbing away at in Trimmer. You'd be "matching" the next piece within Trimmer against that which is up there on the Timeline!

Yup, I've read the calling for a separate Trimmer Preview, but this idea I'm tabling would be a leapfrog from that and be a "go-to" solution that would be both meaningfully & relevant as to the poise, purpose and slickness of Vegas. It would, in a single stroke, give relevance and urgency as to WHY use Trimmer ( "Hey I can see why I like/should Trimmer! I can see what is ON the Timeline and what I'm SCRUBBING in Trimmer!")and finally allow others to be released into its full potential.

Making Subbies, and so on, I feel, is a kinda side issue. Making Trimmer relevant to what the Main Event is very relevant - Split Screen Timeline<>Trimmer editing - I feel most certainly IS!! - Do this, and I bet we wont hear another word about why use the Trimmer - it would/will be self-evident ( haven't I heard that line before - being self-evident?). It would drive more people to use and develop, what I think, what could be even MORE at the heart of Vegas - 'Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you the "Split-Screen-Timeline-TRIMMER-Previewing-Window-thingie!" '

Grazie
auggybendoggy wrote on 7/13/2007, 8:13 PM
grazie,
that was pretty far over my head. I think I am like you in your earler years of clumsy editing.

I do want to learn more about scrubbing and exactly what it means.

so I've got a bit of reading to do. Hopefully I'll get the hang of this soon. : )

Aug
vicmilt wrote on 7/13/2007, 9:33 PM
Like others, I do about 90% of my editing directly on the timeline.

I set up a track or two ABOVE the "working tracks" and just pull clips directly up there. Then I trim them there and drag them down to the working tracks.

But one place that I do use the trimmer, a lot, is to see what's on either side of a trimmed clip. Let's say I've got a trimmed clip of Joe saying, "I need a sandwich". I sort of remember that there was a lot more on that clip. I RIGHT CLICK the clip and "Open in Trimmer".
Now I can immediately scroll through the whole clip and see if there's anything else that's usable.

v