A respectful rant.

songsj wrote on 3/4/2017, 6:17 AM

Hello all, A short history, I am 60 years old, started using Vegas pro way back at version 5. Kept upgrading through version 8 when I stopped songwriting and recording due to health issues and time constraints. I recently decided to give it another go before I am too old and purchased a new computer, 2 23" monitors, upgraded to Edit 14 since I mainly do audio, and have been acquiring new Waves 64 bit plugins. I'm sure the people a Magix have already heard this so they can just add me to their list of users who are considering changing to a different host program. To not have the ability to run Antares auto Tune, or Waves Tune, or Melodyne 4 for that matter is ridiculous. The many complaints about Waves plugins is also inexcusable as they are an industry standard. I have read that it's not Magix's problem if a 3rd party decides not to write their programs to work with Vegas. Maybe true. However it is Magix's problem if their host program will not run many industry standard plugins. I know buyer beware. I trusted Vegas, Waves and Antares as their software was always compatible in the past and did not verify their current status. I should have. I've spent thousands when I could have bought a refurbished Xeon processor PC with windows 7 32 bit installed for 400.00 and just run all my old software which frankly at this point is doing a better job for mixing on my old Pentium 4, 3.0. than my new set up is. I'm not sure what I am going to do, I may still just buy the refurbished 32 bit machine and cut bait now. This is a hobby for me not a business. I keep spending more money just to find out something is still standing in the way of doing what my old system did 10 years ago. I really hate to have to learn a new host program as the learning curve can be steep. I was so excited to do this and now am just am so disappointed. I guess you live and learn no matter how old you are.

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NickHope wrote on 3/4/2017, 7:21 AM

If anyone wants to know the story behind this, it starts here:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/old-guy-learning-new-tricks--105654/

...then continues here...

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/cd-burning-rendering-audio--105815/

(with a wee diversion here)

It doesn't seem like all hope is lost yet, pending what Waves support have to say about your Waves Tune issues.

Even though Vegas started out as a DAW, it has fallen behind the competition if you only want to do audio and not video. However I understand your reasons for wanting to stick with a familiar program.

JohnnyRoy wrote on 3/4/2017, 10:18 AM

@songsj With all due respect to MAGIX and the software they purchased from Sony...

#JustMyOpinion

If you are a musician wanting to record audio you should get yourself a "real" DAW. Go buy Pro Tools, or Cubase, or Abelton, or PreSonus Studio One, or Samplitude, or Logic Pro, or any number of applications that pride themselves in being a Digital Audio Workstation. Vegas Pro was an audio application at one time, but it is clearly now a Video application that also does Audio.

It seems silly to me to wish that Vegas Pro was something that it is not and hasn't been for quite some time which is why when plug-ins from the largest manufacturer of audio plug-ins (Waves) hasn't worked for 3 versions now, it's pretty clear where the focus is... VIDEO. MAGIX doesn't even market Vegas Pro as an audio application.

My advice would be to cut your losses and get a modern DAW to work with. You will be so much happier in the end. There really isn't a lot to learn. They all work pretty much the same for basic recording and editing. You will also have the ability to do new things like side-chaining which every DAW does but Vegas Pro doesn't.

I use to love ACID Pro. I even wrote a book on it. I've since moved to the Mac and use Logic Pro X and couldn't be happier.

~jr

ByronK wrote on 3/4/2017, 12:22 PM

+100% to JR's response. I love Vegas as a video editor and it is very capable as an audio editor but a dedicated DAW (Digital Audio Workstation) offers much more recording features and compatibility w/ plugins. If you don't want to spend a lot of money right away on the high end DAW software there are light versions.

I personally use Cubase 9 but I'd recommend Acid Pro or the light version Acid Music Studio because the interface looks very similar to Vegas. If possible test run the trials and see if your plugins work w/ them.

ChristoC wrote on 3/4/2017, 2:58 PM

Echo JohnnyRoy & ByronK's comments; take a peek at Magix's own offering Samplitude; a dedicated Music application with Melodyne ARA integration; for a cheep an cheerful app try Reaper....

songsj wrote on 3/4/2017, 3:50 PM

I think I'm going to check into Cubase 9 and see how steep the learning curve is. It's too bad because if Vegas just supported vst3 [which some day if it is still around it will probably have to] I would probably be okay with Antares. Or if it would support the rewire link for Waves tune but it sounds like that will never happen. It is my fault for not verifying the compatibility of these software's, I just did not read enough of the fine print and made my decisions based on my past experiences. A friend of mine always says "trust but verify" he is right and I did not. One way or another I will work it out, I'm just disappointed because this was supposed to be fun and so far has just been an expensive pain in the a##.

vitus wrote on 3/4/2017, 4:44 PM

songsj, Alternatively, you can pay attention to Rapper:

http://www.reaper.fm/

I am also tired to expect changes in the audio part of Vegas and is now looking for replacement. Rapper is developing very fast, and I have found there are some things like in Vegas, such: matches in hotkeys and capabilities in the workspace organization.

juan_rios wrote on 3/4/2017, 5:12 PM

Yes, the Reaper timeline is almost a Vegas clone, identical. For my musical works now I do a lot of work with Reaper. For a Vegas user, Reaper is a more familiar alternative.

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PC-ESTUDIO1:

- VEGAS Pro 19 B651.

- Windows 11 64 bits - Intel Core i7 10.700K CPU @ 3.80GHz

- Motherboard Rog Strix 8460-H Gaming - RAM 32GB.

- nVidia GeForce GTX 1650 Super.

- Intel UHD Graphics 630.

PC-ESTUDIO2:

-Shotcut.

-Kdenlive.

-Linux Mint 21.2 -Victoria - Intel Core i5 6.400 CPU @ 2.7GHz

-Motherboard Gigabyte H110M-S2PV DD3 - RAM 16GB

-Intel Graphics 530.

LAPTOP:

-HP Victus 16-e

-VEGAS Pro 19 B651

- Windows 11 64 bits - AMD Ryzen 7 5.800H with Radeon Graphics 3.20 GHz

-GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop GPU

-RAM 16 GB.

CAMERAS:

Panasonic FZ300; FZ1000; FZ2000 and HC X1500.

 

 

songsj wrote on 3/4/2017, 10:04 PM

I might try Reaper, it's cheap, I may like it, and if nothing else it may serve as a bridge until Magix has to update it's FX incompatibilities like starts to support vst3. That would get me into Antares 8 and then gentlemen, what happens in Vegas just may stay in Vegas.

rraud wrote on 3/5/2017, 12:44 PM

"the Reaper timeline is almost a Vegas clone, identical. For my musical works now I do a lot of work with Reaper. For a Vegas user, Reaper is a more familiar alternative."

Reaper was originally modeled after Vegas by Justin Frankel (WinAmp creator). Vegas can work pretty good for audio post, but ProTools (SloTools as I call it) and others and designed and better for music recording. Vegas integrates with Sound Forge and Spectral Layers fairly nicely (don't know about VP14) and makes a damn powerful DAW system, aside from the lack of side-chaining.. which I had been requesting since the audio-only Vegas 1.0.

juan_rios wrote on 3/5/2017, 6:35 PM

I think the recording with Vegas is good, but what I do not like is its lack as a MIDI sequencer.

Reaper has almost everything, and surprisingly it is the only program that explicitly accepts to open or save Vegas EDL projects.

PC-ESTUDIO1:

- VEGAS Pro 19 B651.

- Windows 11 64 bits - Intel Core i7 10.700K CPU @ 3.80GHz

- Motherboard Rog Strix 8460-H Gaming - RAM 32GB.

- nVidia GeForce GTX 1650 Super.

- Intel UHD Graphics 630.

PC-ESTUDIO2:

-Shotcut.

-Kdenlive.

-Linux Mint 21.2 -Victoria - Intel Core i5 6.400 CPU @ 2.7GHz

-Motherboard Gigabyte H110M-S2PV DD3 - RAM 16GB

-Intel Graphics 530.

LAPTOP:

-HP Victus 16-e

-VEGAS Pro 19 B651

- Windows 11 64 bits - AMD Ryzen 7 5.800H with Radeon Graphics 3.20 GHz

-GeForce RTX 3050 Laptop GPU

-RAM 16 GB.

CAMERAS:

Panasonic FZ300; FZ1000; FZ2000 and HC X1500.

 

 

songsj wrote on 3/5/2017, 7:44 PM

Okay anyone know if this is possible just for sport. My Creative sound card has outputs and inputs on it, can I just take a cable and run it from an output to an input and record the corrected track in real time on another track with fx.

ByronK wrote on 3/6/2017, 1:14 AM

I agree, Reaper is a very good recording application for the price!

songsj wrote on 3/6/2017, 3:09 AM

Hopefully it will be a good recording and mixing application period. And the price will just be a bonus.

wwjd wrote on 3/6/2017, 9:11 AM

REAPER is my "Goto DAW" for things needing real audio. That said, I'm often amazed at what I CAN get away with inside Vegas: edits, efffects, ADR, etc