A strange rendering error

svtdot wrote on 2/17/2010, 3:25 AM
Here’s an oddity!

A friend with a digital still camera asked if I could convert some AVI files to a DVD. She wanted nothing extra, just the ability to view the moving clips of a wedding on DVD.

Warning her that not all AVI files are the same, I promised to give it a go.

I downloaded the clips (about 20 minutes) onto my hard drive and opened VMS 8.0d. VMS seemed quite happy with both the video and audio codecs and reported the video was 640480x24 JPEG at 30fps. The audio was 11,024Hz 8bit mono uncompressed.

The render settings were put at 720x576 with 25.00 PAL. My friend was not bothered by the small black border. She wanted no transitions, effects or “any of the clever stuff”. The only special request was to rotate some clips that she had shot in portrait mode.

The job seemed straight forward and I put it all on the timeline. After rotating the 3 or 4 affected clips I left it to render 19min 55sec of clips whilst I watched TV. The only changes I made were to add 4 markers to help my navigation. There were no other modifications to the imported clips whatsoever.

An hour later I returned expecting to kick off DVD Architect and burn the DVD. The screen was full of error messages and when I had OK’d everything Windows XP closed VMS down and was so busy tidying itself up that I had to reboot.

Suspecting a damaged clip, I used a tactic I have developed before with another video editing package. I split the timeline roughly into two and rendered each half separately. Surprisingly, each half rendered OK. So I put them back together.

The render failed again. This time I was more observant and noticed that failure occurred at 95%. This related to the second last clip, which I removed. It worked. So I put it back, it failed again. I then rendered this clip on its own – perfect. Putting it back. I trimmed a few frames from the ends of the clip as well as the adjacent clips. Still failed at 95%.

The DVD would have to do without the offending clip. Having put so much work into it I decided to add a short title clip: “Jack and Jill’s wedding.” Amazingly it failed at 93% this time.

By this time I was suspecting the length of the movie was the problem, and calculated that if the movie was under 18mins and 50 seconds or thereabouts, it might work. So I edited one of the longer clips down (it needed it) to make a movie of 18 mins and 48secs. This renders OK and my friend now has the movie she wants.

I remain intrigued. Has anyone any idea why this length of 18:50 or so is critical? The project was easily edited to this length. What if it needed to be longer? Not being very familiar with DVD Architect could I render two or more pieces and join them in DVD Architect?

Anyone out there with similar experiences and knows of a fix.

SVT

Comments

Chienworks wrote on 2/17/2010, 3:38 AM
18 minutes 49 seconds is just about the length of a 4GB DV .avi file. Were you rendering to DV? Is your drive formatted for FAT32 instead of NTFS? What if you try rendering to MPEG2 directly from Vegas instead of DV?
svtdot wrote on 2/24/2010, 11:00 AM
Thanks Chienworks for your help.

I apologise for not thanking you sooner but I have trying out a lot of experiments aimed at solving the problem and trying to follow your advice.

I’m a relative newbie to VMS. I used Pinnacle for a number of years and got fed up with the endless crashes and hangs. I toyed with Ulead for a while and after using a trail version of VMS 8 which gave no problems at all. Since buying it, I have had some serious health problems which now thankfully are totally behind me.

The problem posted above was the first project that has given me problems that were not related to my VMS learning curve.

To answer your first question: having carried out the simple minimal editing needed I simply pressed the Make Movie button and proceeded as if I wanted to burn a DVD. Living in the UK I selected 720x576 with 25.00 PAL. Which is where I wrote the above post. To answer the second question. The Hard disk concerned is formatted to NTFS, it is not my primary drive but one I use exclusively for movie editing. It is an EIDE drive rather than USB connected and has never given any problem before and I do not suspect it now.

Following your post I explored VMS further and discovered Render as in the File menu. Thanks for making me do that. There are many more options here. Can you or anyone point me towards some more explanation about these codecs as I already know not all software will read all codecs and they can cover a lot of variations?

What follows is largely for the benefit of anyone who reads this post as it gives a work around.

I recreated the file that caused the problems before and tried MPEG 2 as you suggested. Rendering to MPEG2 seems to take longer and I left my PC to it. Returning an hour later (a 20 minute movie?) the program had crashed, only the desktop was visible, there was no sign of VMS. Surprisingly I found an MPEG2 file which PowerDVD could open but there was no sound. This was probably because VMS crashed before the audio track was rendered.

So I tried MPEG1. Crashed again. Split the file into two parts. The first part rendered OK, the second crashed. Split this larger part again into 2 parts. Both rendered OK.

Now here’s the work around. I opened the first part rendered file in VMS. I opened another window with VMS and loaded part 2. Selecting all, I cut and pasted this 2nd part into the first window. I then did the same with the third part. I now had a window with all parts of the original project in the timeline. I simply rendered it again as MPEG1. it didn’t take very long. I now have the movie I want.

Hope this is helpful to anyone else having similar problems.

SVT
Former user wrote on 2/24/2010, 12:38 PM
MPEG1 is normally not used for a DVD. MPEG2 is the DVD standard. You will find the quality of an MPEG1 file to be quite inferior to an MPEG2.

Dave T2