Adobe Premier Vs Vegas Pro

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farss wrote on 1/31/2013, 6:49 PM
John Cline said:
"One thing that just bugs the heck out of me when I use either Premiere Pro or Avid Media Composer is that timeline playback stops whenever I adjust any parameter."

I *think* you can avoid this if you're only adjusting audio in PPro by playing audio only. That doesn't help if you're trying to adjust vision :(

I look at this as a swings and roundabouts aspect. Once you've rendered the FX in PPro it just plays. Trying to get the same out of Vegas isn't exactly easy and many times, especially when I've had someone looking over my shoulde,r I've wished SCS would take a lead from the way the others do things. Having to render a feature length movie out just so I and the client can watch it without stuttering is a pain, have to rerender the whole thing again just because of a minor change in one shot is silly.

Bob.
PeterDuke wrote on 2/1/2013, 6:57 PM
"I do like Premiere's and FCPX darker GUI and I hope Vegas will soon have some way of making the GUI look darker "

NO, NO, NO!

Why does "professional" have to equate to "black"?

Black background with light or even white lettering is harder on the eyes than vice versa.

I remember when audio gear used to be shiny grey metal with black lettering. Easy to read even in poor light. Now-a-days I have to get a torch and/or a magnifying glass to read the settings. That's for when you don't have to set things up via a menu, of course, which may have a backlight to the LED display that auto turns off before you have finished.
rmack350 wrote on 2/1/2013, 7:29 PM
"NO, NO, NO!"

So Peter, do you object to having adjustable GUI shading or can it be adjustable just so long as it only goes light, not dark?

The Photoshop gui is adjustable. I leave it grey. No sweat, no impact on me, other people can make it darker or lighter. It's not an issue.

PeterDuke wrote on 2/1/2013, 8:38 PM
My overriding consideration is usability. The interface can have whatever colours or shades you like provided that they contribute to making the interface easy to use. I have no desire for so-called "professional" or "sexy" looks as an end in itself. The same goes for Windows as well.

The video editing software is a tool; no more no less. I am happy with a garden fork in any colour provided that it does the job.
Ros wrote on 2/1/2013, 9:48 PM
I earn a living editing with Vegas spending hours editing each day and I do have problems with my eyes.
What can be so wrong in having an adjustable GUI shading so you Peter can have it the way it is, or lighter and I could have it slightly darker?
BTW, Premiere and FCPX don't have a black GUI but rather a dark grey GUI and I find it very pleasant to my eyes and much more pleasant than the Vegas GUI. Even Photoshop CS6 has a darker GUI and ajustable and I like it.
wwjd wrote on 2/1/2013, 10:01 PM
I found you can adjust vegas colors via a switch and customizing Windows colors. I had mine dark like the gray on the sides of this page. In the end, just went back to Sony Grey since all my other windows were off color.
But yeah, should be a simple switch in Vegas
Sidecar wrote on 2/2/2013, 1:36 PM
"I apply the exact same color correction in Vegas vs CS6, and Vegas always looks washed out. Any clues from you guys?"

I've been using Vegas since 4 and have 12 now. Just dropping footage on the timeline and rendering out to WMV will produce a low contrast and I swear "fuzzy" image. FCP and Premiere will have a crispy satisfying final output. Why do I have to work so hard in Vegas to make already good looking footage acceptable?
Terje wrote on 2/3/2013, 3:48 PM
Been my main gripe with Vegas for some time. I guess it stems from the origin of the two. PP was always designed as a professional video editing tool. It does it correctly (ignore UI issues) and the way you expect it to.

It takes a lot more work to get Vegas to do things "correctly", and that is a pain, at the same time, it takes a lot less work to get stuff done.

From up high it looks like Vegas is made for consumers who are not video professionals and PP the other way around. That's a pity give the improved UI experience of Vegas. I just wish they'd move a little more in the "doing things correctly" direction.
Laurence wrote on 2/4/2013, 1:00 PM
Vegas renders to wmv have never looked right to me. I use the free version of Microsoft Expression for wmv. I use the same XDcam .mp4 intermediates that I use for Handbrake.
Satevis wrote on 2/4/2013, 1:20 PM
Vegas' way of handling levels can give you more highlight and shadow detail but will not stop you from exporting levels illegal for the destination format nor will it do any automatic conversion behind the scenes. Premiere, on the other hand, may lose some image detail, but will usually produce correct results even if you're entirely unaware of the whole level issue.
winrockpost wrote on 2/4/2013, 4:35 PM
i like being able to adjust the scopes intensity in premiere..plus a few other things use both, like both, with each vegas release like premiere a little more

audio... no comparison..vegas by far...but of course thats from way back to the sonic foundry dudes,sony seems to have left it alone
Ros wrote on 2/4/2013, 7:24 PM
Correct me if I am wrong but you don't have live previews of the scopes even in Premiere CS6 which I use a lot in Vegas.
ECB wrote on 2/4/2013, 8:18 PM
There is live update of the scopes in both Vegas and PP CS6.

Ed B
Ros wrote on 2/4/2013, 8:39 PM
Maybe I missed something but when playing the video on the timeline the scope would not update, it would only update when the video stopped playing.
ECB wrote on 2/4/2013, 9:10 PM
Premiere will not update the scopes live on play but it will on scrub ie ShuttlePro...

Ed B
Ros wrote on 2/4/2013, 9:18 PM
Thanks Ed