AMD 1950X Threadripper / Radeon VII - improving performance ???

petecarney wrote on 4/29/2019, 10:35 AM

Just built up a newer machine with a bunch of used parts. Quite pleased with the timeline performance, but not so sure about rendering performance.

 

What would be the first place I should go to increase rendering performance? It does the red car test in 33 seconds as it sits rendering HD 29.976p VCE One of my last 4K projects rendered 3:00mins in 3:15 so it's almost a 50% increase in speed from my old i7-3770/gtx1050ti machine. Seems like it should be a bit faster seeing some of the other red car tests people have done.

 

Should I look at faster memory or the SSD first? Could there be some drivers that are better than the latest AMD 19.4.3 drivers?

 

Suggestions appreciated. Specs in the sig

 

Cheers, Pete

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mintyslippers wrote on 4/29/2019, 11:32 AM

Disk speed is rarely the bottleneck when rendering. I do all my editing and rendering to and from a network drive using gigabit and it's never even touched its limit. My redcar tests were no faster on or off an M2 SSD.

That said, an SSD is by far one of the best upgrades your can ever have for your operating system drive.

Same for memory. It will be working way faster than most other parts. The bottleneck I'm afraid to say is Vegas.

eikira wrote on 4/29/2019, 12:29 PM

Well your upgrade from an now nearly 8 years old CPU to a not 2 years old CPU should give you way more than just 50% increase. Even if the 3770k (i suppose yours was the k) was and is somehow still is a beast, the corecount alone should give you a big advantage.

May i ask in what formats exactly you do your rendering? I watched your Signature, and you have 2400MHz RAM. If you want to spend money, you clearly should consider 3200MHz+ your ThreadRipper will be pleased with faster RAM.

mintyslippers wrote on 4/29/2019, 1:46 PM

Core count has little bearing on video editing which is mainly a single threaded activity. For video a high GHz processor is of more benefit than more cores.

Your performance gains are actually in line with mine. I went from an i7 2600 which is 8 years old and an AMD r7 250x to a Ryzen 2700x and a new RTX card and my rendering speeds are around 2.5x faster.

This is because lately processor core speed has not actually increased much each year. Chip makers have been more focused on adding more, lower speed cores into a chip instead. Great for games, not so for us single thread folks.

Thread ripper does love fast ram though. Each core is connected via AMD's infinity fabric which runs at half the speed of your memory. So faster ram means faster processor. But the speed gains after 2400 are very little.

With ram and Ryzen they handle fewer sticks at higher capacity better.

petecarney wrote on 4/29/2019, 1:53 PM

Thanks for the responses!

 

I plan to use the 4K and 1080 Magix VCE flavor in 30p for everything now.  Got 40 seconds on the red car and 5:48 on my 4K project with the Magix NVENC with the old stock 3770K 1050ti machine.  The AMD machine is 33 and 3:15 for the same exact projects.

 

Didn't think the drives made any difference as I can use a passport drive on usb 2.0 and it didn't change the times at all.  I thought memory would help, but also don't think it gets me to the 20 second range much less in the teens with the red car test.

 

Haven't tried any settings in either the Radeon utilities or vegas pro 16 yet.  If there's anything there I might be missing, let me know.  Don't get me wrong, I'm stoked I'm getting smooth timeline playback in my 4K projects with vegas fx running at Best (full) display setting !!!  Just think there's something I'm missing at double the red car times of similar systems I've seen on here.

 

Cheers, Pete

mintyslippers wrote on 4/29/2019, 4:03 PM

I get 21 seconds for the red car test with the specs in my profile but I think the super efficient nvenc on my RTX card is to thank for most of that.

Nothing is over clocked. The Ryzen processors do that by themselves really well.

Nothing you can do to improve things other than use Windows task manager and see if anything it's showing as a bottleneck. But it's unlikely.

petecarney wrote on 5/4/2019, 12:19 PM

Any suggestions on how to trouble shoot these sorts of things? I ran UserBenchmark speed tests and it shows all the other components in my system to be at or above average speed for each component except the video card. It's at the bottom of tests they have for the radeon VII.

 

Just struggling to find anything online as to how to see what piece of things is dragging it down.

 

Cheers, Pete

OldSmoke wrote on 5/4/2019, 12:50 PM

I updated my Fury X to the latest driver only to find out that it is slower now in Vegas. I will go back to drüber 18.7

Proud owner of Sony Vegas Pro 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12 & 13 and now Magix VP15&16.

System Spec.:
Motherboard: Intel DX79SR
Ram: G.Skill 8x4GB DDR3 2133 (running at 1600 and lower latency)
CPU: 3930K @ 4.3GHz (custom water cooling system)
GPU: 1x ASUS Fury-X
Hard drives: 4x 2GB WD Red in RAID 5 (with Hot Spare), 2x Crucial 256GB SSD in RAID 0 (mulitcam project drive), 1x Samsung 850 Pro 256GB SSD (System), 1x Crucial 64GB SSD (temp files and swap file), 1x 3.5" Hotswap Bay, 1x LG BluRay Burner
PSU: Corsair 1200W
Monitor: 2x Dell Ultrasharp U2713HM, 1x Sony HDTV 32" preview monitor

matthias-krutz wrote on 5/4/2019, 2:08 PM

I still use the 17.1.1 driver with my R9 380. The rendering time is 19s - 20s. Since my CPU is only a Ryzen R7 2700, not 2700x, the single core performance should be comparable. To test whether the hard drive is the bottleneck, you can render the project from a RAM disk. The target drive is less critical.

fifonik wrote on 5/4/2019, 6:31 PM

I think something is not right with GPU drivers for your too new graphic card or with VCE encoder implementation. When I did tests with red car I noticed than even when I allow Vegas to use only 1 (one) thread of my Ryzen 2600 - the render performance was the same (21 secs with RX 470 and Magix AVC VCE, preview performance dropped noticeable). So CPU is not limiting factor for the project (it is probably too simple).

P.S. The only thing I can recommend you to check - SATA drivers and if source drive is not the same as target drive. Otherwise it is possible that you drive is bottleneck. Sorry if it was already mentioned, I have not checked carefully all the discussion.

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petecarney wrote on 5/7/2019, 8:58 PM

Thanks fifonik

 

Tried all the different to-and-from combinations of my drives. All give 33 - 34 seconds. I don't think it's just 'too new' of drivers though as I'm getting super low scores on some of the free benchmarks for the R VII while all my other pieces-parts seem to be performing above expectations.

 

Cheers, Pete

I think something is not right with GPU drivers for your too new graphic card or with VCE encoder implementation. When I did tests with red car I noticed than even when I allow Vegas to use only 1 (one) thread of my Ryzen 2600 - the render performance was the same (21 secs with RX 470 and Magix AVC VCE, preview performance dropped noticeable). So CPU is not limiting factor for the project (it is probably too simple).

P.S. The only thing I can recommend you to check - SATA drivers and if source drive is not the same as target drive. Otherwise it is possible that you drive is bottleneck. Sorry if it was already mentioned, I have not checked carefully all the discussion.

 

Chief24 wrote on 5/7/2019, 9:42 PM

Hi Pete,

I too have the 1950X and recent purchase of the Radeon VII (Sapphire brand for me). OS, Apps, all source and assets on PCI-e NVME drives, with rendering out to either WD Red 2TB or one of my "still" installed Samsung 850 EVO SSD. Get 33 or 34 on the Red Car Project as well. I do not have my system Over Clocked, and will probably keep it that way. To me, this is actually, FOR ME AT LEAST, the first time in a long time that I have had success using an AMD GPU. Plus, this ThreadRipper is the first AMD CPU I have had since '97 or '98, when I was tackling the various forms for Intel, AMD, and Cyrix.

The system is stable, runs Vegas Pro 15 Suite and Vegas Movie Studio 15 Platinum Suite just fine, albeit the "occassional" hiccup from time to time, but nothing a quick re-boot doesn't fix. Knock on wood, I have only had to do a "Reset" of Movie Studio about a month ago for the first time since installation when it was first released last year. I may have only had the 1950X since June 2018, with the Radeon last month, but I enjoy more the stability I have gotten with the rig over-all, hence probably leaving CPU and GPU at stock (yeah, BruceUSA will get on me again about OC'ing 🙂).

Plus, with not over-clocking, if things go South, less trouble shooting involved! I find most of the issues with bad/corrupt media, or some screw-up in the Preferences I did, or what is the best one? Not paying attention to what you are clicking on!!!!!

I don't utilize any "High End" or "Professional Type" media, as my cameras are a Canon 80D, Recent Sony AX-53, GoPro Hero 5+ Black and a GoPro Hero 6 Black (with possible purchase of the Hero 7 prior to the August NASCAR race at Pocono Speedway). No drones, no RED, no ARRI, no BM Ursa/Mini/PC, etc. None of the higher end Sony, Canon, Nikon, Fuji, Panasonic, etc.; though am trying to save up (SLOWLY) for the Canon EOS R - maybe next year? Or maybe a nice Brother or Sister Christmas Gift -heh, heh!

I know everyone these days seem to want "the Fastest" in things, but I have yet to go and see a movie that actually has a story and touches me, and the first thing I wonder about is: Gee, what camera and how fast did they render or edit/render with? Same with watching TV shows (which I don't watch for three years now), or some YouTube channels. If the Story and/or content is compelling, that is what I would strive to achieve in my own movie making skills.

Self Build: MSI X399 Gaming Pro Carbon AC/1950X @ stock; 64GB Corsair 2666 Mhz; OS-Intel 750 800GB, Project Media-Samsung 960 EVO 1TB; (3) Samsung 850 EVO 500GB SSD for various (LightRoom & Photoshop), Render, Other Assets; Sapphire AMD Radeon VII; Vizio D43-F1 3840x2160 (TV); Windows 10 Pro 64-Bit (1809); (2) Intel 660p 2TB PCI-e on Asus Quad M.2x16; Magix Vegas Pro 15 Suite (416), Magix Movie Studio Platinum 15 Suite (157); Canon EOS 80D; GoPro Hero 5+ & 6 Black; Sony FDR AX-53 HandyCam; Sound Forge Studio 12.6; Creative SoundBlaster Zx sound card; Magix Music Maker Premium 2019

petecarney wrote on 5/7/2019, 11:14 PM

Thanks Chief24 Good to hear it's not just my gpu card that is a little slower at this point.

 

Which mobo and chipset drivers are you running? Just as fifonik said above, I too now am hoping it's just a combo between the chipset and gpu drivers that isn't quite right yet. I have the AMD 18.50.0422 chipset drivers for the x399 tr4 board with the 19.4.3 for the Radeon VII. My box is running oc'd at 3.9ghz and 1.225volts perfectly stable. Rendering AMD VCE even in 4K barely hits the gpu ghz and memory speed. The fan never goes up hardly. I've only seen one little tiny piece of the UserBenchmark test that hits the card all the way to 1800 on the gpu and 1000 on the memory. That little piece of the test takes the VII temp up to 100c so I know this thing will go there.

 

I have a new Lumix S1 and it's 4K image is amazing. My timeline performance with curves and saturation fx applied to it, is nearly perfectly smooth even at Best (Full). If all these drivers get sorted and VP16 can take advantage of them, this new box could be a monster. I'm a little more encouraged knowing it might not be my card that is bad. Now I have a little more confidence and can get back to trying to tell stories instead of messing with new gear, though I have alot of that recently :)

 

Cheers, Pete

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TheRhino wrote on 5/20/2019, 8:06 AM

I reverted back to an older OS image and lost the original Red Car test files... They are no longer in any of my Vegas ProgramData folders... Can someone point me in the right direction again? Thanks!

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
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--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (QSV) in 13s-14s when clocked at 5.0 ghz
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JN_ wrote on 5/20/2019, 8:40 AM

@TheRhino

Nick Hopes Red Car download link ...

https://drive.google.com/uc?id=1t8uOIie5vgZD11wXyHAvQdwWf_OkvO_V&export=download

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Desktop and Laptop basic specs ...

Both run Win 10 ...

Running latest ver. of Vegas Pro with latest updates.

VP13 B453 also.

Vegaseur and Pluraleyes installed on both ...

Quicktime 7.79.80.95

PC ...

i9 9900K, Intel Graphics 630. Nov 2018.

Mem. 32gb DDR4 Nov. '18.

Graphics card .. Nvidia Rtx 2080 Ti

Nvidia Graphics driver .. latest Studio driver.

Intel Graphics driver

 

Laptop ... (Acer Predator G9-793-77AC)

CPU .. i7-6700HQ Skylake-H

Memory ..16GB DDR4 

Graphics card .. Nvidia GTX 1070, latest Studio driver.