Anamorphic vs. Flat?

fwtep wrote on 3/10/2004, 9:19 PM
Is there any advantage to shooting anamorphic, then converting to flat LBX? I always thought that the DV anamorphic method gave a higher resolution (which would obviously be lost in downsizing to flat), but I just saw an article that says that the Canon XL1s uses *less* of the chip when capturing in anamorphic (it didn't mention other cameras). Is that right? Here's that article: http://www.dvinfo.net/canon/articles/article56.php

So if I'm eventually going to go up to HD, am I better shooting anamorphic or flat?

Lastly, I've seen many posts about whether to shoot progressive or not, with most people saying that shooting progressive DV is lower resolution than interlace, so the optimum thing to do is shoot interlace, then de-interlace in Vegas. (This is, naturally, assuming you want progressive and with the best possible resolution, which is what I do want.) Is that still the consensus? Also, is Vegas the best choice for doing the de-interlace, or are there any reasonably priced alternatives? (Reasonable meaning less than $200 or so. The less money, the more reasonable. :-) )

Thanks for any insignts!

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bakerbud9 wrote on 3/10/2004, 10:22 PM
You will most likely get better results shooting normal 4:3 aspect video, and then just add black bars for the letterbox effect in vegas.

Most prosumer cameras (and all consumer cameras) do use *less* of the CCD when shooting in 16:9 mode. The image is then electronically stretched to compensate, and the result is blurry video.

The only advantage of shooting widescreen is (a) if you can shoot with a true 16:9 chip camera and then (b) playback on a 16:9 monitor. If your intended playback is only for 4:3 monitors, then shoot in 4:3 and just add letterbox bars in Vegas.

--nate
farss wrote on 3/10/2004, 11:35 PM
You'll certainly take a resolution hit shooting anamorphic in anything other than the DXC 10 unless you use an anamorphic lens, which is pretty much the proper way to shoot 16:9 anyway. Shooting 16:9 is not just a matter of changing aspect ratio though. You need to be aware that the whole look and feel of a shot changes as well. Panning rates are also affected, in general the wider it is the slower you should move it.

Shooting progressive scan will give you higher resolution, about 29% more compared to interlaced, if you're planning on upscaling to 720p then you're going to be well infront with progressive scan. Not only is the camera getting a higher resolution feed to start with you're not taking another resolution hit de-interlacing during the upscaling.

Sadly the XL1 doesn't shoot progressive scan, as far as I know Vegas does as good a job as most things at de-interlacing. There seems to be better technology available but it's rather expensive.
fwtep wrote on 3/10/2004, 11:50 PM
> Sadly the XL1 doesn't shoot progressive scan, as far as I know

You mean it's faked progressive? It does shoot progressive, but I don't know what method. So do you mean you don't know if there's even a "progressive" setting (which there is), or that it says "progressive" but isn't really?
Sol M. wrote on 3/10/2004, 11:53 PM
Keep in mind progressive scan is different than the "frame mode" of cameras such as the XL1. In such cameras, shooting "frame mode" would result in a lower resolution image than if you shot interlaced.

If you are already planning on have a 'widescreen' aspect ratio, then it kinda depends on your camera and lense as to what your options are. For some cameras, you can get an anamorphic adapter which "squeezes" a 16:9 image into the 4:3 ratio of the CCD (given that most DV cams have 4:3 CCDs). Also, some cameras can "sqeeze" a 16:9 image into the 4:3 aspect ration themselves. What's the difference?
1) A true anamorphic adapter captures a 33% wider angle of view than what a normal lense would. Therefore, you actually capture more of the scene on tape.
2) Cameras that simply "sqeeze" the image simply use the top and bottom areas of the CCD that would be unused anyway if you chose to simply crop it off by adding black bars in post. Therefore, the image area will have a higher resolution than the same scene shot full-frame and then cropped in post.

What's the best option? It's really your call. With an anamorphic adapter, you're getting a TRUE 16:9 image and the wider angle of view that comes with it. Also, all the unused areas of the CCD (which would be cropped off with letterboxing anyway) are put to good use. With the in-camera sqeeze, you don't get true 16:9, as your horizontal angle of view is exactly the same as if you shot full-frame. It will just be a higher resolution than if you had shot full-frame and cropped the image in post.
farss wrote on 3/11/2004, 12:02 AM
I think Jive answered the question, at the prosummer level only the DVX100 shoots true progressive. Be warned though, if you don't understand progressive you can get into a lot of grief, think of it as shooting at half the frame rate. The combination of 16:9 and progressive means you've got to deal with a lot of issues in how you shoot.
Yes you CAN get stunning results and they'll upscale well to HD but there's a BIG "but" involved.
Sol M. wrote on 3/11/2004, 12:09 AM
As for deinterlacing, Vegas handles deinterlacing much like any other program will. This basically means that you lose have your resolution when deinterlacing interlaced footage. There are some programs that more intelligently deinterlace footage (most often involving some sort of motion analysis of the footage). The best one I've had experience with is Re:VisionFX's FieldsKit Deinterlacer (link)
fwtep wrote on 3/11/2004, 1:12 PM
Thanks for the help everyone! I appreciate it IMMENSELY!

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Fred