another basic item I think v3 needs...

JoeD wrote on 12/16/2002, 5:46 AM
After doing multiple takes/punch-ins...

it would be great to have a button or the like to delete all other takes except the one you chose/one shown in the track.

Does one really have to go through and bring up each and do a "delete active take" to rid these?

I'm hoping I'm missing something here that accomplishes this basic need...but I don't see it.

Any chance this can be incorporated. It's important I think.

JoeD

Comments

pup wrote on 12/16/2002, 7:32 AM
That's a great suggestion. I could use that as well.

- pup
ibliss wrote on 12/16/2002, 7:57 AM
Try this:

1) Right click on the event that has muliple takes
2) from the menu choose "Take>Delete..."
3) higlight the takes you don't want to keep (you can use shift+left clicks or Ctrl+left Click as per Windows Explorer as well as left click-dragging) and press the Return button.

Mike K
pup wrote on 12/16/2002, 3:38 PM
Oops. For some reason I thought we were talking about deleting them from the hard drive as well.

- pup
PipelineAudio wrote on 12/16/2002, 9:51 PM
Id like to delete them from the hard drive
JoeD wrote on 12/17/2002, 12:12 AM
Bliss, thanks. That much is understood and works great.

But I AM talking about deleting from the hard drive...in a quick n easy way.

Do we really need to delete the takes that blow one by one?
It would be really great to get this VERY NECESSARY feature in Vegas.

Just a 'DELETE FROM DRIVE choice/button, to delete other takes on any selected track OTHER THAN THE ONE CHOSEN. It gives the best of both worlds...don't want them all deleted permanantly?...don't click the button.

SF?? Any word as to why not on this?

JoeD
Geoff_Wood wrote on 12/17/2002, 2:32 AM
I suggested this back in VA2 days, and has been *partially* implemented with the yellow paintbrush 'Remove All Unused Media From Project" . We need a red paintbrush with " Removed and Delete Files" ....

The Takes | Delete is part way there, but yes, and Delete everything that's not currently active in the timeline ' is desparately needed.

A workaround is to save the project to a new location, with 'trimmed copies of media', but this is final wrt split off parts of takes being lost. But it should be easier to achieve than that.

Also, in general use, the highlighted file/s in the timeline should be hightlighted in the Media Pool in sympathy, to assist in location without having to meticulously read the take names.

geoff
Rednroll wrote on 12/17/2002, 9:10 AM
Buy the new CDA 5.0, that will solve All your problems. New app, different name, bits and pieces of 3 apps rolled into one with no new features. For just $199.!!!!
ibliss wrote on 12/17/2002, 9:49 AM
Red, lets say you have a user of Logic or Cubase who want's a decent CD burning app - I think Architect fills that requirement quite nicely. Why do you have a problem with having it as an option? The fact that it exists doesn't lessen the usefulness of the other SoFo apps.

I haven't bought CDA because I feel my CD-burning needs are met by Vegas.

Now it SoFo could just work on Product awareness.... :)

MikeK
SonyEPM wrote on 12/17/2002, 10:56 AM
If you do a save as <xyz>.veg, choose "copy and trim media with project", then "create trimmed copies of source media" we write new files and sweep out any unsued takes. All newly create files are put in one folder with the new .veg so you can move the folder around, save it off to an archive etc without worrying about relinking the source files.

The above is the only reliable way to sweep unused takes from a project. If each take was a separate file, then you could manually delete those and be ok. The catch is, if you did a loop-record, you'd create multiple takes... but only one wav file is created when doing that, so deleting the file itself would trash all the takes (active+ hidden). Anyway, follow the above process and you'll have a nice compact project that you can easily archive.

One other note: We only copy/trim files that support "no-recompress", like .wav, or DV.avi. Files that would degrade when being copy/trimmed are copied in their entirety, so there's zero quality loss. In any case, Save as+ Copy/trim is what you want I think.
Geoff_Wood wrote on 12/17/2002, 2:22 PM
Red said (again) "Buy the new CDA 5.0, that will solve All your problems. New app, different name, bits and pieces of 3 apps rolled into one with no new features. For just $199.!!!!"

SF responded to request from people such as myself, who own and use both SF and Vegas, to re-instate CDA which is seen by some as a clear and uncluttered special-purpose application. Finally, after much haranguing, they have, and have enhanced it's functionality.

You don't feel the need for it. Great. But please stop inferring that the bunch of people who responded to your 'poll', exclusively with views contrary to yours, are some sort of lower-intelligence creatures than yourself.

geoff
Rednroll wrote on 12/17/2002, 2:24 PM
Ibliss,
I totally agree with you that CDA is a worthwile purchase for those users. What I'm not happy about, is the lack of attention of addressing bug issues and feature requests. If CDA was released and feature requests and blantant bug fix updates where also occuring then I wouldn't have any complaints. Acid, Sound Forge, and Vegas all have some pretty obvious bugs that need to be worked out, with Vegas probably being the least infested. So instead of seeing some updates we see yet another app, which comes along with it's own set of bugs. I've expressed that I would really like to see the 5% of features that where in CDA 4.0 get updated in Vegas. So I guess there's not enough resources at SF to add a few simple features, but there is enough time to develope a new app and pay attention to it's newly released bugs that go along with it. Even worse, they told me themselves...."CDA5.0 is now our primary focus for CD assembly/mastering tool and Vegas is NOT". So to me, that's a nice way of saying "F**K You Vegas user who chose Vegas for your CD assembly requirements" you're not getting anymore features for CD assembly features, go buy CDA. My response is "F**k you back, give me my 5% features within Vegas, because that's where I rather do my mastering and CD assembly." If not, then you're going to have an unhappy user posting in your forums and everyone knows, I can be one pain in the ass when I'm upset. :-)~

red
Rednroll wrote on 12/17/2002, 2:51 PM
"You don't feel the need for it. Great. But please stop inferring that the bunch of people who responded to your 'poll', exclusively with views contrary to yours, are some sort of lower-intelligence creatures than yourself."

I did the poll, to see how other users felt. All users are entitled to their viewpoint and what works well for one user, may not work well for another. Yes, most of the users don't agree with my viewpoint in the CDA forum and that is ok with me. Guess what? the poll is also "within the CDA forum"....don't you think that would be a little bias? Sort of like going to a Protools forum and asking them, what's better Protools or Vegas? and then going to the Vegas forum and asking the same question. I bet you get 2 different biased polls. I never inferred that other people where of a lower intelligence because they disagreed with "my opinion"...only YOU, because you obviously live in a bubble and can't realize that the "poll" is biased and what works for YOU may not work for ME. On top of that I can give you 10 reasons WHY it doesn't work for me, and the only thing you can give back is "look at the poll YOU conducted."

So to clear some things up for you, I will stop "inferring" anything and tell you straight up. You are a "lower-intelligence creature". I tried to say to you in an earlier post, "we can agree to disagree." Is either of us right or wrong? NO!! As I said, what works well for you, doesn't work well for me. Explaining to you why it doesn't work for me, does no good. I have just cause, for my opinion and you keep defending the program like you wrote the damn thing. To realize this you need to refer back to the "lower-intelligence creature" statement, to understand "WHY" you keep telling me my opinion is wrong.

edna6284 wrote on 1/2/2003, 12:25 PM
Then clean the media pool and resave the project into a new folder, selecting Copy Media With Project. Then you delete the files from your record folder. You do use a Record folder, don't you?
PipelineAudio wrote on 1/2/2003, 2:14 PM
thats kind of clunky to do, but works
JoeD wrote on 1/2/2003, 7:28 PM
Yes, I could do that...but it's the most inane way ever to accomplish what essentially should just be an action to sweep unwanted audio (for permanant deletion) from a project.

Not, resave to a new folder (multiply that and your nearly doubling HD space/usage...why the hell is that prefferable?).

BTW: I use a U160 drive as my record drive...but you gotta be kidding me if you think that the majority of users use a separate record to drive bubba.

No, I think it could easily be fixed, but SF could care f-ing less.
So be it. Bye-bye SF, I hope whoever aquires you takes the logical approach to this app...AND listens to it's customer base.

JoeD
edna6284 wrote on 1/3/2003, 8:58 AM
You don't think most people use a separate data drive and a specific record folder which they clean out manually as I mentioned? That's the basics of DAW recording.

People who aren't doing it are the same people who didn't clean the heads of their tape decks and other basic maintenance. They shouldn't be in the business.

By deleting files right from Vegas it removes the possibility of sharing audio between different projects. Which does happen in my world.

A two or three-step operation reduces the likelihood of dimwit user mistakes, especially at about two in the morning.

SonyEPM wrote on 1/3/2003, 9:53 AM
Sorry the existing method doesn't do exactly what you need.

also:

"I think it could easily be fixed,"

Not true.

"but SF could care f-ing less."

Not true.




Nat wrote on 1/3/2003, 3:59 PM
I think there are much more important features to work on than deletion of unused media... I also think that SF is doing a good job on working on those important features, have a look at ACID 4 and you will see. I prefer surround support, ASIO drivers, Bus tracks than deletion of unused media...