Any NT love out there? :-)

pramos wrote on 2/3/2000, 1:22 AM
Hi all, I'm about to be an owner of Vegas Pro. After doing
a bit of work on a friend's system and testing out the demo
for myself, it seems that the move to Vegas is a good one.
Add to that the recent price drop annoucement (which should
be taking effect at the end of the week, according to my
sales-leeches @ Guitar Center, which I won't buy it from).

I know that Sonic Foundry doesn't have an official list of
soundcards yet ... from what I've tested, my Gina should
work great for me in 98.

My question is if anyone has any recommendations for a
sound card for NT. I've been browsing through the boards
here and haven't seen any real specific recommendations.
I'll check again if someone gives me a pointer. :)

Basically, all I need is a card that will play (max) 5
stereo tracks at one time and record one stereo track
simultaneously. This is pretty basic, I know. Digital-IO is
optional (nice but not necessary). Accuracy is important
(tracks need to stay aligned, of course).

Can I use my SBLive? Or is this a really noisy card
(haven't ran any tests)? Should I just wait for Echo to
come out with drivers (anyone who owns an Echo card should
be laughing right now -- they're almost as bad with updates
as Digidesign). Should I move to a Delta card (or are there
issues with them, I thought I saw something in the forums)?

I like the Gina, and I wish I could use the Gina in NT, but
it took Echo near forever to come up with decent ASIO
drivers, I fear that I'll be waiting forever for the NT
drivers.

Why NT? I have BP6 with dual-celeries and if I recall
(after a recent chat w/Sound Forge techs), Vegas supports
SMP. It'd be nice (and I hate to waste that mobo' and extra
processor).

Setup:
.Dual 366 Celery (no OC'ing, don't trust it for audio work)
.Separte system/record drives on separate busses (record
drive is 7200 UATA/66)
.128mb RAM
.Echo Gina
.ATI AGP graphics (am moving to G400 after the praise it's
gotten here though)
.Primary record source: Pioneer DJM-500 mixer 1/4"->1/4"
unbalanced (flat eq, low levels) -- vinyl + keyboards

FYI: I'm moving from a PowerMac 8100/AudioMedia II/Deck
2.6/RAID setup that got me 12-mono-tracks (16 on a sunny
day) + 2-mono-tracks-record. Not the most impressive, until
you realize it's six years old and has served me well. :-)

Sorry for the long post. Thank you in advance for any
replies! :-)

~Pete

Comments

ramallo wrote on 2/3/2000, 7:49 AM
Hello, try with RME make very good cards for NT http://www.rme-
audio.com/english/index.htm
Regards

acegrube wrote on 2/3/2000, 8:53 AM
Hey Peter,

I'm running VegasPro under NT40 w/service pack 5. Like you I owned a
GINA which, though not the most sonically pure piece, worked w/vegas
VERY well -- no hitches, glitches at all. After migrating to NT (I
prefer it for it's stability and increased security features) I have
tried several cards with verying results.

First I used an M Audio Delta 4x4. Their driver did not play well
w/Vegas at all. Any serious attempt at tracking wound up in system
lock up and the nefarious blue screen of death. The guys at Delta
labs were fairly responsive and might have a fix by now so it might
be worth checking that piece out. But for me, once bitten.........

Second. I am currently using a LynxOne. 2 Analog and 2 dig I/O's,
two fast midi ports and a word clock bnc connector. VERY nice
sounding card, all balanced I/O on the analog side. Haven't had
problem one while recording at 44.1/16bit. And I can hear an
appreciable difference in tracks recorded w/this card vs. stuff done
with GINA. Heck, I can hear the difference in playback on 16bit drum
loops, transients are way better. All A/D, D/A conversion is NOT the
same. It does 24bit/48kHz through analog and 24bit/96kHz through dig.
in. My first attempt at upping the bar and recording at 24bit
bubbled up some problems. Please see the thread titled "Can't record
24/96 with LynxOne.

Other than that I'm hearing good things about the MOTU (2408?). I
have been reticent to buy one because I just don't need all that I/O,
and would like to use the extra $300 for something else (have you
priced balanced cables lately?.) I'm not interested in piping to and
from ADAT's etc, and never track more than one stereo pair at a
time. Still if Lynx doesn't fix this before my thirty day try before
you buy is up that's the way I'll be heading.

One last thing. Buy.com is where I bought Vegas Pro. At that time
they were selling for $379; Git ctr. wanted 5 Smokes plus a cut for
the governor here in the state of Washingtax.

Peace

Good luck! Hope this helps



Peter Ramos wrote:
>>Hi all, I'm about to be an owner of Vegas Pro. After doing
>>a bit of work on a friend's system and testing out the demo
>>for myself, it seems that the move to Vegas is a good one.
>>Add to that the recent price drop annoucement (which should
>>be taking effect at the end of the week, according to my
>>sales-leeches @ Guitar Center, which I won't buy it from).
>>
>>I know that Sonic Foundry doesn't have an official list of
>>soundcards yet ... from what I've tested, my Gina should
>>work great for me in 98.
>>
>>My question is if anyone has any recommendations for a
>>sound card for NT. I've been browsing through the boards
>>here and haven't seen any real specific recommendations.
>>I'll check again if someone gives me a pointer. :)
>>
>>Basically, all I need is a card that will play (max) 5
>>stereo tracks at one time and record one stereo track
>>simultaneously. This is pretty basic, I know. Digital-IO is
>>optional (nice but not necessary). Accuracy is important
>>(tracks need to stay aligned, of course).
>>
>>Can I use my SBLive? Or is this a really noisy card
>>(haven't ran any tests)? Should I just wait for Echo to
>>come out with drivers (anyone who owns an Echo card should
>>be laughing right now -- they're almost as bad with updates
>>as Digidesign). Should I move to a Delta card (or are there
>>issues with them, I thought I saw something in the forums)?
>>
>>I like the Gina, and I wish I could use the Gina in NT, but
>>it took Echo near forever to come up with decent ASIO
>>drivers, I fear that I'll be waiting forever for the NT
>>drivers.
>>
>>Why NT? I have BP6 with dual-celeries and if I recall
>>(after a recent chat w/Sound Forge techs), Vegas supports
>>SMP. It'd be nice (and I hate to waste that mobo' and extra
>>processor).
>>
>>Setup:
>>.Dual 366 Celery (no OC'ing, don't trust it for audio work)
>>.Separte system/record drives on separate busses (record
>>drive is 7200 UATA/66)
>>.128mb RAM
>>.Echo Gina
>>.ATI AGP graphics (am moving to G400 after the praise it's
>>gotten here though)
>>.Primary record source: Pioneer DJM-500 mixer 1/4"->1/4"
>>unbalanced (flat eq, low levels) -- vinyl + keyboards
>>
>>FYI: I'm moving from a PowerMac 8100/AudioMedia II/Deck
>>2.6/RAID setup that got me 12-mono-tracks (16 on a sunny
>>day) + 2-mono-tracks-record. Not the most impressive, until
>>you realize it's six years old and has served me well. :-)
>>
>>Sorry for the long post. Thank you in advance for any
>>replies! :-)
>>
>>~Pete
FP wrote on 2/3/2000, 10:27 AM

I've been running Vegas since Beta 2 - now up to 1.0b, and it has
been rock solid with my Gadgetlabs Wave 8 / 24 soundcard.

The drivers are flawless with NT for audio. They have also promised
Win 2000 drivers this month. I'm also running Wavelab 2 and 3 as well
as Cool Edit Pro, Acid, and soon Fruityloops (a great program for a
fair price!) no problems with anything.

The Wave 8 has eight 1/4" inputs and outputs as well as some balanced
jacks and midi ports. A digital input output daughterboard is
optional but also works well. The prices are very reasonable as they
only sell direct.

They makes several other cards each od which has a price point hard
to beat. Check them out!

Paul
pramos wrote on 2/4/2000, 2:46 PM
Thanks for the responses (all NT information is much appreciated)! :)

More research comes this weekend (with the suggestions leading the
top of the list).

And ... yes, Buy.com has to be the best place to buy Vegas .. it's
running $350.95 right now; but it's still listed as having a retail
of $699 (so I'm trying to hold out to see if it drops lower with the
new retail price drop). I'm a student. This is a hobby/addiction. I
have no money. I am cheap. Therefore, I wait for price drop!

:)

~Pete!
acegrube wrote on 2/4/2000, 5:04 PM
Pete,

Students are often allowed to buy software at 'educational' prices.
I'm not sure what the specifics are (Haven't gone to school for
almost twenty years now, back when Styx ruled!) you might be able to
buy Vegas for even less. Save some budget for a good sound card
you'll grow out of the SB live real fast.

Peace

Peter Ramos wrote:
>>Thanks for the responses (all NT information is much
appreciated)! :)
>>
>>More research comes this weekend (with the suggestions leading the
>>top of the list).
>>
>>And ... yes, Buy.com has to be the best place to buy Vegas .. it's
>>running $350.95 right now; but it's still listed as having a retail
>>of $699 (so I'm trying to hold out to see if it drops lower with
the
>>new retail price drop). I'm a student. This is a hobby/addiction. I
>>have no money. I am cheap. Therefore, I wait for price drop!
>>
>>:)
>>
>>~Pete!