Any Pal-users? - need feedback..

zued wrote on 2/12/2003, 8:33 AM
Hi.

Burned my 10:th DVD this morning without any luck, bad playback and cuttings in the end of the movies + it only plays(badly) from my dvd-recorder...cannot load the disc in another dvd-player(not even in my xbox, who nicly takes any other disc I feeding it with), also tried to burn vob-files with NERO..no luck..

Same mpegs(from vegas4 template) workes without an hitch in for example dazzleDVD complete, good playback and no cuttings in the end...

Pal users.. how are your projects doing? anyone tested yet..??

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alastairbrown wrote on 2/12/2003, 10:16 AM
Fellow PAL user here-I made a good un after a couple fo attempts. Playback was poor and kept breaking up. Turned out to be the brand of media I was using (Bulkpaq-see post elsewhere). Re-burned using TDK DVD-RW and got a perfect disc.

Rendered my MPEG in Vegas using the DVD Architect template.
Rendered my audio in Vegas using the ac3 encoder.

Multi level menu with motion backgrounds and moving video on every button. All OK!
marcotronic wrote on 2/13/2003, 3:25 AM
Hi,

I just created my first PAL-DVD with DVDA (motion background, AC3-Sound created in Vegas4) and had no problems at all. I have a Pioneer A03 DVD-R and everything ran just fine!

No problems! I love the Software!
Marco
dshm wrote on 2/13/2003, 3:48 AM
What project settings and mpeg setting are you using?

When I render with default PAL DVD template, I get a field order problem resulting in strobbing effect of the mpeg playback. I have to select "Interlace, top field first" or something along these words in the video custom setting to get rid of the strobbing. Then the results are amazing. So I cannot simply drop the AVI DV footage in DVDA as I am unable to change the field order unless I encode in Vegas.

The DV footage has lower/bottom field first, and all readings so far indicate that other sources generally have top/upper field first.

What is your source? Is it DV?
marcotronic wrote on 2/13/2003, 4:21 AM
Hi,

I already read about your field order problem. - I use the same DV-Cam (Sony VX2000) and don´t share your problem. I just took some old (Vegas 3 rendered) AVI-Files (I remember that I used the standard DV-PAL template for rendering) and used them in my DVD-Project. I didn´t change the field order and it worked just fine.

Very strange...
greetings from Germany
Marco
zued wrote on 2/13/2003, 4:40 AM
I havnt tried this ac-3 option, only regular .mpg rendered from vegas 4.
dshm wrote on 2/13/2003, 5:07 AM
Thanks. It appears that only I am having this problem. I am planning on a totally new build just for Vegas. Hopefully this will get rid of the problem.
alastairbrown wrote on 2/13/2003, 6:17 AM
Render your video from Vegas using the DVD Architect template.
Render the audio from Fegas as ac3.

Save both with the same filename.

When you imports the video into DVD Architect, it automatically looks for related ac3 file and imports it to.
Johannes_H wrote on 2/13/2003, 8:03 AM
I have no idea about your problem but one thing is sure:
PAL DV is "Lower Field First"! And you should not change the field order, the problem must be somewere else.

Johannes
dshm wrote on 2/13/2003, 8:18 AM
Yes Pal DV is lower field first. I am not changing that. Printing back to my DV camera from within Vagas is also fine. But within the same project (PAL DV) when I choose Render As and pick the PAL DVD template, the mpeg file produced is strobby/jaggered on playback. If I re-encode but change the interlace field setting in the custom setting of the MainConcept encoder to Interlaced, top field first, then the resultant mpeg is perfect! So somehow my setup is behaving differently to the rest of you.

If simply let DVDA encode the PAL DV source (with lower field first) I get a strobby playback. So something if messing up the MainConcept CODEC.

I have read elsewhere that Analogue sources are have top field first and DV had lowerfield first. Have not been able to find out what Mpeg should be!
vonhosen wrote on 2/13/2003, 10:17 AM
Most MPEG encoders output as upper field first by default. That is not too important, what is important is that the encoder is given the correct information as to the correct field order of the source.

DV should be lower field first , analog will depend on the capturing device (& won't change)

dshm

I know you are using DV which should be lower field first & that is what the MPEG encoder is being told. If you right click on your file in the media bin/explorer itself & look at properties what field order it saying ?

I ask this because I have encountered your problem before. I had numerous clips in a project, all captured from the same DV camera. They should have been lower field first & when I rendered the project out & encoded it to MPEG, I authored it to DVD & when played back on interlaced TV I got jerky motion but only in some places. I went back & check each individual clips properties & found that some of the clips actual field order was shown incorrectly as upper field first. I changed all of the incorrect ones & re-encoded. This disc played back fine. I have no idea how half a dozen clips ended up with the wrong field order. Check each individual clip is my advice.
dshm wrote on 2/13/2003, 3:50 PM
The DV clip is lower field first as expected. Hence output to DV camera is fine.
I suspect it is something else on my system. I have been meaning to do a clean build just for Vegas, but simply have not go round to it yet. I will now do this and hopefully get rid of the problem.

BTW in the custom setting, does this field order indicate the order for the source or the target? I ask because I know that teh source is fine, otherwise it would not be caopture and played back fine from my camera.

zued wrote on 2/13/2003, 4:04 PM
ok.. back on track.. finaly solved my recording trouble.. turned up to be my recorder joking around.. :(..

About the fieldorder question I can say this.. something is wrong with this build of vegas 4, when editing raw dv format(made in vegas..) i get no problems, but when I today re-edit some old matrox digisuite(upper fields) files that I saved for later use, i could not edit them in vegas4 - jerky playback. doesnt change if I switched the field order, got the same jerky playback, so i opened them in vegas3.. "badang", no problems, renders fine both to dv and mpegs.
dshm wrote on 2/14/2003, 6:44 PM
OK problem solved. It was something (don't know what) with my setup.