Anyone else having problems with UAD-1 & Recording?

Studio_de_Lara wrote on 11/11/2004, 9:06 PM

Hello,
I have 3 UAD-1 cards in my PC. I am using Vegas 5b. I have set up Guitar Rig on a track (monitoring in real time). I have an effects bus with a Dream Verb inserted. When I try to use the fx send on the Guitar Rig track (to monitor DreamVerb 'verb) I lose sound when the recording starts. I can hear the Guitar Rig sound / preset and the Dream Verb when I am monitoring only, but once I push record, all sound goes bye-bye.
I tested my RME Digi96 and MOTU 828mkII.
When I use a native reverb (like Ultra Funk) I have no problems. Input monitoring has been set to on and auto (both work unless it is a Dream Verb).
Mayb a bug? I am using UAD-1 version 3.6.
Regards,
Rich

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PipelineAudio wrote on 11/11/2004, 11:59 PM

RME and UAD-1 are asking for problems with Vegas, I own both, weve been fighting it for a while

bug RME and bug UAD in emails at least once a week

pwppch wrote on 11/12/2004, 6:55 AM

The UAD plugins are what is refered to as "non-inplace" or in VST lingo, they add latency to the audio path.

With software input monitoring, any additional latency will cause problems to your recording process. There is nothing that can be done with this extra latency when you monitor input in realtime. If your hardware ASIO drivers have a latency of 5 ms, typically these types of plugins will at least double that. You now have a latency of 10 ms or more. This is starting to get to the point where the latency makes software monitoring through FX useless.

However, we are looking a mechanisms or "tricks" to better work with plugins that add delay/latency. Our work in ACID with native VST support has made it clear we can better handle VST FX and we will be looking at this technology for future versions of Vegas. No, I don't know when this will happen.

Peter

MacMoney wrote on 11/12/2004, 7:31 PM

Hi Aaron
This might not help but....
In Pro-Tools even the TDM plug add latency and it's based on how many plugs you have on that channel.
So what I do is to total up the latency per track and shift that track ahead.
Lets say that I use Waves RenEQ-6, RComp and Gate, my track delay is 25 samples. I lock all of the regions together and shift 20 and the 5 samples.
And type TOS+25s (track Off Set +25 samples) in the track comments sections so if one of the other guys remove a plugin off of that track they know how much to subtract.
Digi now has it automatic in PT TDM HD 6.7 but not for Mix or LE guys.

George Ware

Studio_de_Lara wrote on 11/12/2004, 9:11 PM

Well,
I made a very interesting discovery.
It seems the only program I get zero issues with when recording (and playback in general) and the UAD-1, drumroll please............
Tracktion.
I bought this program a while back and have never really used it. Man, it is very very cool!!
I have zero, I say again ZERO issues with Tracktion and recording audio.
No delay / latency issues, no snaps, crackles or pops.
I couldn't get Vegas, SawStudio, Logic or ACID to work as smoothly.
I guess I will keep Vegas for my "light" CD work :)
I wonder how Julian (the creator) did such an awesome job?
Maybe because Mackie is now continuing develoment and marketing Tracktion, and they had the UAD-1 at one point, Mackie knows all the "tricks" to get Tracktion to work so well with the UAD-1?
Maybe its my configuration? May it's just luck?
Regards,
Rich

PipelineAudio wrote on 11/13/2004, 2:37 PM

take a nuendo system for a spin regarding this issue

Studio_de_Lara wrote on 11/13/2004, 4:17 PM

I have heard some awesome things about Nuendo.
I have Cubase SX2 (which I am not crazy about), I think I there is an upgrade path to Nuendo.
I am not rushing though.
I am makin' music with Tracktion, so I'm a happy guy.
Regards,
Rich