Applying "MEDIA FX" in masse

Former user wrote on 5/4/2018, 3:22 AM

Do not confuse MEDIA FX with EVENT FX, please. They are two different things.

8 years later and several versions of Vegas, and there is no way to copy / paste fx media, or select multi-media and apply effects (or a chain of plug-ins via Filter Packages) to multiple media.

This lack seems really silly and intuitive; different cameras have different properties. When adding mixed media to a project, the editor usually needs to apply correction (saturation, color gradation, sharpness) to all media in a particular camera. Although this * can * be done at the event level, it's really a media-level fix.

Only using Vegasaur or Ultimate S4 is it possible to do this in Vegas, but with certain limitations. Because they are still unable to list or apply the FX filter packs that are created in Vegas. You need to create Fx filter packs in these applications, and then create presets to apply FX filter packs, in the form of Media FX, to various media.

I would love for Magix to add this ... or one of the third party developers ... ;-)

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Dexcon wrote on 5/4/2018, 5:36 AM

It seems to me that you could have different video tracks on the timeline for events from your different cameras, and set the desired FX for each camera at track level. For example, video track 1 would be for video from camera A with FX set for that camera at track level 1; then video track 2 would be for video from camera B with FX for that camera set at track level 2. Effectively, the FX you set at track level are global for every video event that is placed on that particular track.

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OldSmoke wrote on 5/4/2018, 6:59 AM

It seems to me that you could have different video tracks on the timeline for events from your different cameras, and set the desired FX for each camera at track level. For example, video track 1 would be for video from camera A with FX set for that camera at track level 1; then video track 2 would be for video from camera B with FX for that camera set at track level 2. Effectively, the FX you set at track level are global for every video event that is placed on that particular track.


That only works if you don't combine the tracks to a multicam track. My multicam projects are events with the cameras rolling continuously, so I don't have a real need for such a feature but for someone with a different project needs, that would be a really good feature. Like the OP, I never understood why applying FX to several clips on the media level is not possible. Yes, it can be applied on the event level but that could lead to rather long FX chains if additional correction is required for a certain scene.

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dream wrote on 5/6/2018, 12:55 PM

wait, why didn't magix put that in vp15

Red Prince wrote on 5/6/2018, 1:13 PM

wait, why didn't magix put that in vp15

I just tried it. I selected multiple media, right-clicked on one (while they were all selected), added Bleach Bypass, and it was only added to the one I had right-clicked on, but not the rest of them.

So, unless I’m missing something, the answer to your question seems to be no, they didn’t.

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fr0sty wrote on 5/6/2018, 1:14 PM

I agree, since day 1 with Vegas 4 I never understood why you cannot just copy and paste an effect or effect change into ANYTHING, be it event, media, or track level fx. I think you should be able to copy every single preset for everything, effects, track motion, pan crop, keyframes, en masse and paste them into everything as well.

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matthias-krutz wrote on 5/8/2018, 2:28 AM

I liked using Media-FX. Because of this error I avoid it completely now.


If Video FX are used before Pan / Crop, it also results in this errors.
The video is done with GPU acceleration enabled, otherwise it crash.

That should work again before. Then Video FX could be used again on all levels. If then the proposals are implemented, it would be a big improvement.

NickHope wrote on 5/8/2018, 3:21 AM

I liked using Media-FX. Because of this error I avoid it completely now.

Can you please summarize that error in words? Not sure what I'm supposed to be looking for.

Former user wrote on 5/8/2018, 4:08 AM

@matthias-krutz Thanks for the info. I did not know that. I will try to reproduce this error here on my machine later to confirm if it also occurs in version 14 of Vegas which is the one I currently use.

Another thing I do not like is the system of attributes of past events. If you copy the attributes of an event and apply it to another that already has some effect, that second event loses its effects and only receives the effects of the event copied. The correct thing would be to continue with the effects they have already had and also with the effects that were brought from the other event.

matthias-krutz wrote on 5/8/2018, 4:30 AM

When I use a Media FX on a larger image, there are problems with Pan / Crop. As long as the aspect ratio fits the project ratio, it seems to work. I have a 4:3 image adapted to an HD project here. At a certain image resolution, the output range jumps or becomes distorted (Ignite FX). I can always see it here with AMD graphics card. Without GPU acceleration it comes then to a crash. So I do not think it's because of the graphics card.

This is not limited to JPGs. It seems to be related to the Pan / Crop. MSP12 did not have these problems.
For the test I scaled a sample Windows picture.

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NickHope wrote on 5/8/2018, 4:33 AM

...Another thing I do not like is the past events attributes system is that if you copy the attributes of one event and apply it to another that already has some effect, that second event loses its effects and only gets the effects of the copied event. The correct thing would be to continue with the effects that already had and also with the effects that were brought from the other event.

I had this problem a few minutes ago in VP15. The only way I could get my Color Curves FX from one event to another, without losing the existing Color Curves FX on the target event, was to save a preset.

This only started happening in VP11 or 12. In VP10 the FX are appended to the existing FX. I bet the change wasn't a design decision. It would be nice to be offered a choice of either appending or replacing existing FX.

Former user wrote on 5/8/2018, 4:50 AM

@NickHopeTestAccount

I also noticed that if you create a filter pack in Vegas and then apply that filter packet to an event that has some effect. The effects that were in that event are also lost while remaining only the filter pack.

Grazie wrote on 5/8/2018, 10:53 AM

@Former user : Correct.

NickHope wrote on 5/8/2018, 12:02 PM

I also noticed that if you create a filter pack in Vegas and then apply that filter packet to an event that has some effect. The effects that were in that event are also lost while remaining only the filter pack.

That behavior did happen in VP10. Again, it would be nice to be given an "append" or "replace" choice.

Former user wrote on 5/8/2018, 12:17 PM

I also noticed that if you create a filter pack in Vegas and then apply that filter packet to an event that has some effect. The effects that were in that event are also lost while remaining only the filter pack.

That behavior did happen in VP10. Again, it would be nice to be given an "append" or "replace" choice.

I also think there should be this option

Red Prince wrote on 5/8/2018, 8:53 PM

Again, it would be nice to be given an "append" or "replace" choice.

Agreed.

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fr0sty wrote on 5/8/2018, 11:03 PM

We're 2 months away from 1 year since Vegas 15 was announced... I wonder if they'll be talking about 16 in 2 months? I wonder if there's any more updates for 15 in the plans?

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NickHope wrote on 5/9/2018, 1:27 AM

We're 2 months away from 1 year since Vegas 15 was announced... I wonder if they'll be talking about 16 in 2 months? I wonder if there's any more updates for 15 in the plans?

A further update to VP15 has been mentioned at least a couple of times on the forum by Magix employees.

Former user wrote on 5/9/2018, 2:27 AM

I'll come back to what I've said before. I prefer a million times to correct the bugs that exist in version 15 than a version 16 of vegas with the same errors of 13,14 and 15 together. I'm really hoping that MAGIX will be able to hit the next Vegas Pro 15 update. If the bugs are fixed then version 16 will be welcome.