Audio Guys... May I borrow your ear?

NickHope wrote on 9/1/2005, 8:07 AM
I've recorded a voiceover for my marine-life documentary and I would be very interested to know how much post-production effects more experienced engineers than me might put on it to give it a professional sound. The voiceover will be mixed with a bed of ducking ambient music and a bit of reef noise here and there.

I've posted a 8Mb zip file of 4 short WAV clips on my website if anyone is interested to listen.

The recordings were made with a Takstar SM-1C concenser mic through an Echo Gina soundcard. My mouth was about 6 inches from the mic with a pop filter in-between.

The mic's low frequency attenuation switch was OFF .
The -10dB sensitivity switch was OFF.
The polar pattern was set to cardoid (as opposed to omni-directional or bidirectional).

I was going to get an Audio Technica mic but this one sounded so good in comparison tests in the shop that I thought I'd save the cash.

- What EQ would you tend to use? (to me it sounds too bassy... perhaps too much proximity effect?)
- How much compression would you add?
- Would you add any other effects to it?
- Are the levels OK?
- Would you switch "normalize" on? After editing the clips are very fragmented.

Delivery will be AC3 on DVD.

For comparison purposes the zip also includes the first clip recorded with my old Fostex dynamic mic, which to me sounds cheaper/thinner but brighter.

Oh, and please don't be afraid to tell me my new mic is rubbish or my voiceover style too dull! :-)

Thanks!

Nick

Comments

Yoyodyne wrote on 9/1/2005, 12:10 PM
Dude, everything sounds good with a British accent! :)

I'm not a real expert but that mic sounded pretty good to me. On my Tannoy Reveal actives your file sounds a bit thin - you might try the voice or medium compression preset on the Wave Hammer to fatten things up, tweak to taste. This will also kick the level up a bit.

just a quick 02.
Spot|DSE wrote on 9/1/2005, 1:28 PM
Nick, I'd leave this close to as-is, don't compress it any more than already is, unless you've got a good compressor such as the iZotope, WAVES, or similar. You can get the Kjearhus VST plugs for free as well, they've got a good free comp.
it is just a tad bass-heavy, but not enough that it would bother me too much, because you sound like a documentary V/O oriented guy. I can only imagine what the footage looks like, having seen some of your work before. Smooth, and easy. It's also just a tiny bit driven in places, but depending on the footage, it will probably fit right in.

I'd spend some time cleaning up. Pops, breaths, etc shouldn't be there at all.
PierreB wrote on 9/1/2005, 2:01 PM
Not to hijack, but Douglas said, "I'd spend some time cleaning up. Pops, breaths, etc shouldn't be there at all."

How do the pros do this? Try to avoid it in the first place (how?) And/or clean-up manually (or are there automated tools?)

Thanks ahead of time.

Pierre
earthrisers wrote on 9/1/2005, 2:28 PM
Douglas knows WAY more about this than I do, but here's a little bit of semi-pro experience: I use Sound Forge to do away with the pops and breaths... very easy to do when they occur "between" spoken phrases, which most of them do. It's not an automatic process, but it's very straightforward.

For "warming up" my voice-overs, my favorite tool is a judicious application of Antares "Tube"... details are here (I have no relationship with the company except as a customer):
http://www.antarestech.com/products/tube.html

And as the last step in my post-production chain, I apply the Waves L1 UltraMaximizer+, using the "broadcast VO" preset.

--Ernie
Opampman wrote on 9/1/2005, 6:42 PM
Every audio guy and wannabees can pick at this because they would have EQ'd it differently, but having run studios since 1966, I'd say that overall it is very good. The S/N is acceptable - sure there are a few extranious sounds that could be minimized. Perhaps a little more mid-bottom but it's much better than poorly or over EQ'd VO's.
PeterWright wrote on 9/1/2005, 7:08 PM
Sounds pretty good to me Nick.
I often remove breaths and pops by 'S' splitting in Vegas to remove the breath then a very short fade up to the word.
Similarly with a few prolonged "esses" at the end of words I would split and fade down to shorten the "s" without sounding truncated.
VOGuy wrote on 9/1/2005, 8:00 PM
Hi Nick.

Your narration sounds quite good. It's possible that you're being overly-critical of yourself. Everybody hates the sound of their own voice - even quite a few people who make their living doing voice-over.

In my opinion, the mic also sounds pretty good.

What do you consider a "professional" sound? There are literally thousands of different ways to narrate a piece of copy. And there are hundreds of ways to record a narration - all "professional", which give the character of your piece a different "feel". Many people have different ideas as to what a "professional" or "quality" sound is.

So here are my "nit-picks":

To my ear, the audio is a bit "dry" - I don't hear any of the room it was recorded in. I like a little bit of natural reverb in a narration recording -- I'm not talking about echo, used for effect, but rather a bit of early room reflections, to make the recording sound natural. Of course, some rooms sound good, others less so.

I get the feeling you're working the mic a bit too close, which is why your "p"s are popping a bit. I've heard worse in "big-time" Hollywood recordings, so take that for what it's worth.

On my system, it didn't sound "bassy", but that changes from playback system to playback system, and listener to listener.

Cutting out some, but not all, of the breaths is a good way to improve a narration. I used to work with a producer who cut out all the breaths in his productions. His main thing was commercials, however, and I was the enginneer for his first "long form" project. (this was long before I started my voice-over career) After I followed his directions, and removed all the breaths from his project, it was shown to a large audience, where I happened to be present. After a while, I noticed that members of the audience were, from time to time, gasping for air. They were unconsciously "breathing" for the announcer.

If you feel the narration needs more energy, adding a bit of compression will help. But the best way to create more energy is to read with more energy. Energy is not speed or volume, it's enthusiasm.

Adding music helps - if music is chosen carefully, it helps a lot.

Above all, have fun when you narrate.

Travis
www.Announcing.biz (Site may be down temporarily 'cause serving host is in Downtown New Orleans.)




NickHope wrote on 9/1/2005, 10:35 PM
Thanks very much for all the feedback guys, and for the tactful encouragement regarding my performance.

Just to clarify, I didn't put any EQ or compression or anything on those clips. They are just the raw recording.

Travis, I think I may have overdone the padding a bit, despite what you advised previously. I was in a corner of a room with a tiled floor so I hung quilts and towels around the corner to deaden it a bit. Maybe I shouldn't have bothered. Next time I'll try without.

You're right, I may well have been a bit close to the mic. I kind of new that when I was into the recording but I didn't want to start all over again. My voice gets tired and tight quite quickly, and it's a 110-minute production.

I've now put the Kjaerhus Classic Compressor on the track with the vocal preset (threshold -20, ratio 2.5:1, knee "soft", attack 0.5ms, release 0.04sec) and I think it makes me sound a little more "authoritative" if you know what I mean (never mind that I gave up biology at 12 and haven't really got a clue what I'm talking about LOL). Nice software for free, those Kjaerhus plug-ins, thanks for the tip Spot :-)

I'll get to work on the breaths and clicks....

Bearing in mind that the voiceover is now chopped up into a couple of hundred clips, I'm still wondering whether to put the normalize switch on them all. I'm considering putting the normalize switch on but at -1dB leaving me a bit of overhead for the music. I did this with my previous DVD version using voiceover recorded on the cheaper dynamic mic and the result seemed OK. Would it be a good idea to do this and am I right in thinking the normalize would be applied before the compressor?

Thanks again
Jeff Waters wrote on 9/2/2005, 9:51 AM
I just completed an epic session of removing pops & clicks (from a bad wireless lav mic) and extraneous noises for an hour long fitness video. I used Noise Reduction to reduce some (but not all) of the background noise.

In terms of removing the breath and pops etc... I found the most efficient way was to right click on the audio clip in Vegas and choose "open copy in sound editor". That opens in Sound Forge for me where I could then highlight the bad sections and use the "mute" or lower volume tool. Then save in SF and when you return to Vegas, the changed audio clip will be active as a new take.