Audio Help--Church sound not so good

dpetto wrote on 10/24/2013, 11:31 AM
I have some HD video that was shot with an inexpensive video camera at a funeral service inside a church. The best way that my very inexperienced ear can describe the audio, would be that it has a very slight echo and a general un-clearness to it (it sounds kind of muffled). Does anyone have any suggestions on how I can sharpen up this sound a bit? I'm using Vegas Pro 12.

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johnmeyer wrote on 10/24/2013, 11:44 AM
The new iZotope RX3 Advanced has a "Dereverb" plugin that is supposed to reduce this problem. I did spend the $$$ to purchase this, but so far have not had any luck making it do anything useful. However, if you want to send the audio to me, send me a PM and I'll give it a go.

Here's a short "before/after" reverb clip:



This topic has been discussed dozens of times in these forums over the years, and except for this new iZotope product, there is no commercial program that makes any claims at being able to reduce echo or reverb. However, there have been a few tricks posted which some claim have made a slight improvement.

musicvid10 wrote on 10/24/2013, 11:50 AM
I'd guess that if RX3 Advanced doesn't help that much, my trick would help even less. But strictly fwiw, here it is:
http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=3&MessageID=545526
Grazie wrote on 10/24/2013, 11:51 AM
You've had a go with the DeReverb John? Have you got any pre- and post-dereverb to listen to?

Cheers


Grazie

Grazie wrote on 10/24/2013, 12:05 PM
I bought the AskVideo Tutorial package, although there is some of a focus on RX3 Advanced, I can make use of the knowledge for izotope RX3. There are some great switches to be more clinical with the repair and autopsy work. It's really professional package. These are the switches that are a real bonus:-

Adaptive Denoise mode
Advanced Denoise options for precise control
Multi-resolution Spectral Repair modes
Advanced Declick options for precise control
Deconstruct!

The compare functionality has been greatly improved and it feels more intuitive.

Grazie
johnmeyer wrote on 10/24/2013, 12:38 PM
You've had a go with the DeReverb John? Have you got any pre- and post-dereverb to listen to?There was a thread about a month ago where someone posted an interview done in a large room with the window open to the outside. I was able to get rid of the road noise, and the whistle from a nearby football practice, but was not able to do much with the reverb from the mic being placed too far from the person speaking, in a large room.

I had a number of other issues with the new RX3, some of which I posted in your earlier threads. I sent all those issues to the iZotope support team and as usual I got a response directly from someone who really knew what he was talking about and who was helpful beyond belief.

iZotope has the best tech support in the business and it was one reason I was willing to spend $499 on the upgrade to the Advanced version.

He agreed that the dereverb didn't work as expected on this clip, and he sent it, along with a few other clips that exhibited other peculiarities, to their engineering team.

I also used the opportunity to send in some unusual feature requests of things I'd love to see added to the program, such as

* DeEQ for doing 78 rpm restoration where the capture has been done through a standard RIAA amp and needs to be adjusted to the rolloff/turnover curve for that particular record;

* Sync multiple recordings (like PluralEyes), but use the new RX3 variable speed capability to keep the audio in absolutely perfect sync throughout the entire take

* Use "band extrapolation" (that's what the Nero Wave Editor used to call it) to synthesize higher frequencies from lower frequency material in order to give "life" to AM radio, EP linear VHS audio, phone conversations, and other bandwidth-limited audio sources.

larry-peter wrote on 10/24/2013, 12:39 PM
If you have access to a multi-band dynamics plugin that can be set for expansion rather than compression, I have yet to hear any "de-verb" that can do better. Izotope Ozone is great for this.
Churches and similar halls will usually have one or two primary frequencies where reverb builds up. Isolate about a half-octave around these with two of your bands and adjust the expansion ratios (usually more than 1:2 ratio begins to sound like a gate)and thresholds and you'll find a sweet spot where the audio cleans up fairly dramatically. There will be a tonal difference in using this technique, but I find it much better than the ringing verb. Keep the bands that don't have much reverb buildup unprocessed and they will mask the expansion going on in the effected frequencies.
Try it and see what you think.
johnmeyer wrote on 10/24/2013, 1:20 PM
I just found a half hour demo of RX3 by one of their engineers. I'm not sure this has been posted before:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8B6eLE_s5eg

Go to the 3:30 mark for the Dereverb demo.

dpetto wrote on 10/27/2013, 8:17 PM
Thanks for all the suggestions everyone--I really appreciate the help.