AVI....File size change

fuzzzzy wrote on 6/4/2002, 5:39 PM
Hre's my problem..

I have a DV captured clip...avi file, size 40Megs ( one of the detected scenes)
When I drop it into the timeline and without changing anything I "RENDER AS" from the FIle menu dropdown. The resultant file is larger then the original i.e 56Megs!
This size varies if I stretch the clip in the timeline!
Question? How do i keep the file size the same..provided i don't change anything, alternatively it should be smaller if I cut a few frames out i.e region.

What I'm attempting to do is clean up some of the scenes by cutting unwanted areas before I start the actual editing and saving them back under their original file names. Once I've done that, I want to start the serious editing....is this the wrong way to go about it ?

Comments

BillyBoy wrote on 6/4/2002, 6:37 PM
There isn't a wrong way, which is one of the nice things about Vegas Video, almost everything can be done several different ways. Since VV3 is non destructive to your source files perhaps a better way would be drop all your scenes on the timeline as a first step, or just drop them one at a time if your prefer.

I wouldn't render anything until you're done editing your entire project, but that's just my method. I think doing it that way tends to lead to a more fluid editing experience because you'll be able to see your project take shape in front of your eyes.

Save your project often. The .veg file contains all the information VV3 needs to restore your project to what ever point you left off even if it spans hundreds of source files. I wouldn't create a bunch of intermediate files, no need really. In fact that may slow you down.

Have you tried the excellent tutorial? That slowly walks you through the basic steps you'll use most often. I wouldn't worry about file sizes, rendering formats until you're done. Just concentrate on editing and play back the result from the timeline as you go along.

What I like to do is drop all the video I initially expect to include as raw source files in a project on the timeline as a first step regardless how many. I then go to the beginning and play the entire run making rough cuts of what I know for sure I don't want. This usually reduces the initial project size by anywhere from 15 to 40%, sometimes more. As you gain experience I think you tend to be more critical of what should stay and what you toss out. The end result is a crisper less boring video.

That done, I go back to square one and do it again, this time doing any fine tuning of each scene (event) again working through the whole project. I try to avoid skipping around, all though you can if you want to. I probably will do any shuffeling of scenes at this point, also speeding up or slowing down whatever needs it.

Now back to the beginning again, I apply the FX filters I need, add any extra video tracks, overlays, text, special effects, cross fades, transitions envelopes and so on.

Back again to the beginning, add any audio for background, voice overs, special effects, then see how it looks from the start then play it again doing any last minute tweaking. Then I set the whole project aside for at least a couple days. Basically because I'm sick of looking at it by this time, so if I don't do anything with it for at least 48 hours, the next time I open the project I see it in a more critical eye and I'm far less to do something just to get done with it. If possible have one or two other people look at it. Adjust as needed, now finally do your rendering. <wink>
fuzzzzy wrote on 6/5/2002, 2:25 PM
Hi BillyBoy,
Thanks for your excellent advice, this is more or less what I wanted to do with the exeption of cutting certain unwanted sections first and then dropping them all in the timeline...but I think your suggestion might be better as I could do the same while previewing in the timeline thereby leaving the scource files intact!

However, while playing around I noticed that without changing anything and just re-rendering by going >file > render as > and then choosing DV (same as captured format) the file was suddenly bigger ???

Still wondering why that is ?
Sonic_Curt wrote on 6/5/2002, 9:53 PM
This is likely a Type-1 vs. Type-2 DV AVI file issue. Type-2, the default of Vegas, will be larger than Type-1 files because of the way the audio is saved (essentially duplicated).

-curt.