Bar tone, slate and count down at the top

Randy Brown wrote on 4/13/2010, 10:22 AM

Hey guys,
It's been a while since I've done broadcast and I have a show about to go (at least) nationwide on RFD-TV.
I used to use a countdown/slate that (I believe) Spot made but can't find it. Are there any templates around that you guys know of ...as well as a 1 khz tone?
And is -12 db still the standard for tone? (I really hate to ask the station)

Thanks very much,
Randy

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LoTN wrote on 4/13/2010, 10:47 AM

I have no knowledge about the level.

For the 1k tone you can get one here

For the countdown, here is one film leader I did for fun with Vegas (full HD 1080p, "Save As" is strongly recommended). I don't know if it suits your need.

Randy Brown wrote on 4/13/2010, 11:04 AM

Thanks lord,
The "template" I'm talking about had the slate and the countdown together where one just fills in the runtime, name of show etc.
I have another (dumb) question though.
They gave me a hard copy "general information" sheet that wants the tape log to include ins and outs for each segment.
Since this will be delivered on mini-DV (I used to submit on DVD) I'm guessing those in/out times are going to be including the time it takes to make the bar tone slate etc.
IOW the show is to be 4 segments (approximately 00:06:07 each) with three 10 second black sections for ads.
Let's say the first break did occur at 00:06:07 and I had 3 minutes of bar, tone etc prior to that. Would my in be listed as 3 minutes and my out be listed as 00:09:07 or do I disregard anything prior to the actual start of the show?
Thanks again,
Randy

LoTN wrote on 4/13/2010, 11:08 AM

Randy,

I have absolutely no idea about those broadcast requirements, sorry...

erikd wrote on 4/13/2010, 11:10 AM

Randy,

Disregard any timing except the actual show. The rundown segment sheets should begin with the first frame of fade-up of a segment until the last frame of fade-out., etc. I worked in broadcast television for 13 years so I am quite familiar with this kind of thing.

Erik

Randy Brown wrote on 4/13/2010, 12:21 PM

That's kind of what I thought..I just started questioning myself when I was thinking about submitting on tape and them reading the timecode.
On second thought tough I guess it would be easy enough to reset the counter with the countdown.
Better safe than sorry though so thanks very much Erik.
Randy

farss wrote on 4/13/2010, 2:38 PM

As Erik says the program should start at some sensible timecode like 01:00:00;00. As far as I know you cannot write timecode values to DV tape, you need to switch to DVCAM for this. That's problem 1.
Problem 2 is getting Vegas to write the timecode :(

I *think* you can do this if you prestripe the tape.

Bob.

Randy Brown wrote on 4/13/2010, 3:42 PM

Well they do accept mini DV tape so hopefully they won't be expecting it to be "sensible" : )
BTW Bob, I know you were around when some of these cowntdown/slate templates were floating around that users had made.
Do you remember the site that had a bunch of these kinds of .veg files for other users to download?
Thanks Bob,
Randy

farss wrote on 4/14/2010, 12:35 AM

"Do you remember the site that had a bunch of these kinds of .veg files for other users to download?"

All I recall is VASST ran a competition to make a countdown project. The entries might still be on their site.
At the time I had lamented the fact that Vegas lacks a stock leader. I've seen so many of the Avid ones over the years....

Bob.

Randy Brown wrote on 4/14/2010, 6:28 AM

Thanks to you I found something that will work on the VASST site.
Thanks again amigo,
Randy