before I jump to V14 - has the preview playback improved?

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xberk wrote on 11/29/2016, 3:13 PM

THere's lots of possibles for Vegas crashing before even the splash screen .. Graphic drivers, graphic card, network adapters .. search YouTube for some answers or possibles .. one other thing might be preferences .. I think if you hold down ctrl key and then open Vegas it bypasses preferences?  Not sure. 

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Kinvermark wrote on 11/29/2016, 3:49 PM

THere's lots of possibles for Vegas crashing before even the splash screen .. Graphic drivers, graphic card, network adapters .. search YouTube for some answers or possibles .. one other thing might be preferences .. I think if you hold down ctrl key and then open Vegas it bypasses preferences?  Not sure. 


Thank you for your thoughts on this. I wasn't really meaning to try and get a solution to my issue in this thread only making sure that others know there are some real issues with this version (like so many of the previous versions). I'll find an appropriate place to post this with details. I can say that my current computer is one I built and has excellent components, etc. I really hope I do not have to uninstall Vegas 11 as I am wanting it as a fallback in case I can't get Vegas 14 working. I will work on it through the weekend and if it doesn't work I will request a refund.

I appreciate you taking the time to give me some suggestions.


Hence my "kind sentiment."   If you come to the forum whith an open mind and desire to solve the problem, people will help you make it work.  If you just want to vent... well what use is that to anyone, including yourself?

I objected to your post because you imply that Vegas 14 is universally defective. It isn't.

Wolfgang S. wrote on 11/29/2016, 4:25 PM

Whatever the issue with your machine is: It is not acceptable to use here words like "childish rants" against other users. Understand that this is a violation of the community rules and please act according to that rules. 

And there is no general issue with Vegas 14 regading the startup, because that is not seen on most other machines. 

Please open a separate thread for your issue if you wish - or even better a ticket or both. 

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Mindmatter wrote on 12/3/2016, 3:58 AM

About the statement that Edius is using realtime proxies - is there any source to confirm this? And even if so, wouldn't that take so much real time processing power that it would neutralize the effect of a fast preview in the first place?

On first thought, that doesn't make much sense to me but I might be totally wrong. I reckon that fact is that Edius is simply coded extrelemy efficiently in regards to its preview playback . I've suggested several times that Vegas could implement a separate GPU bus for a separate card for the preview alone. Wouldn't that make things a lot smoother? Edius lets you stack your GPUs. Now there's a common sensed approach.

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Kinvermark wrote on 12/3/2016, 5:11 AM

You can look on the Grass Valley forum about Edius proxies.  Looks to me like it works conceptually the same as Vegas.  They appear to be optional (also like Vegas) now and better quality than before.   Don't know what the word "realtime" means in this context or where that statement comes from.

"Stacked"  GPU's would be awesome.  :)

ronald-e wrote on 12/4/2016, 12:14 PM

I have Vegas 12 , Vegas 14, CS6 and EDIUS 8.3WG on my PC. I can confirm that EDIUS is much faster than Vegas 14. I do not use proxies and most of my source files are XAVC-S or AVCHD normally multicam with 3 or 4 cameras. I mainly use EDIUS for video but do all my audio in Vegas as I have done for years. Realtime means if the project is 60P then playback is full speed 60P. This latest version of EDIUS has just introduced the same kind of resolution reduction used in VEGAS to facilitate heavier filter use etc and maintain playback speed. Both have their advantages and disadvantages which is why I use both for their strengths.

Mindmatter wrote on 12/5/2016, 5:09 AM

Hi Kinvermark,

be realtime I mean "as opposed to the Vegas approach", as Vegas has to first generate those proxies before it can actually use them. That alone is a CPU intensive process that I cannot really imagine EDIUS doing on the fly. Whatever I throw at Edius is being previewed WAY faster on the spot. I do not see where it would have the resources to generate proxies on the fly for better previewing, or how that would even be possible.

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VidMus wrote on 12/5/2016, 2:36 PM

To answer the original question, I finally bought Vegas 14. I just retired my 580 card because my editing computer is now also my general use computer because my notebook computer is down.

So, I am now using the Intel graphics. I have the i7-4790K CPU @ 4.00GHz. I have 16.0 GB ram.

With Sony Vegas Pro 13 and 60p video from my older PJ-710 camera, the video will not play full frame rate with just the video and no filters. With filters it plays even slower. With Vegas 14, it will play full speed even with the filters. This is with my current system without the 580 card.

With the 580 card and the latest and worthless drivers for Windows 10 64 bit, the video will not play full speed with Vegas 13 and Vegas 14.

When I had my setup with Windows 7 64 Ultimate and the older drivers, I got full speed with the 580 card.

So why does Vegas 14 play full speed with my Intel graphics and not the 580 card? Maybe it has to do with the way Vegas 14 works with OpenCL or is it the new way of handling memory? I do not know what it is but at least on my system, works real well.

So apparently, faster DOES depends on what a system consists of.

P.S. Thanks to the stupidity of New Blue, I can no longer use Titler Pro 3 with Vegas 13. They really need to start supporting the Intel graphics!

 

Kinvermark wrote on 12/5/2016, 2:51 PM

@mindmatter.  Ok, I see what you mean.  I can't imagine EDIUS generating proxies "on the fly" either. 

So, to also answer the orginal question:

In my experience, Vegas 14 is faster than Vegas 13, but only a little.  It is workable for me with 4K, but there is clearly room for improvement (especially for certain demanding effects like FilmConvert).