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musicvid10 wrote on 7/31/2014, 11:42 AM
In urban areas, you need plenty of channel choices, and the technology adds to the cost.
In a rural setting, something as inexpensive as the Audio-Technica PRO 88W with a carefully chosen VHF channel will do quite a nice job. Personally, I think Azden sounds like mush.

So really, the price range is $150 - $1500.

If you're interested in a gently used Sennheiser G2 EM300 system (fixed receiver) with good lav and earworn mics, and a great leather travel case, you can reach me at my username minus 10 at gmail. It's the last of my many systems, and I've decided to part with it.
larry-peter wrote on 7/31/2014, 11:44 AM
I don't own any wireless systems in that low price range, BUT I recently shot a public forum where the speakers were using Line 6 XD-V35L wireless lavs. I was very impressed by the quality of the board feed I recorded as well as the live sound at the event. Several stores are listing that system at $299.

I've been using and loving Line 6 wireless instrument systems for years in my band, but that was my first exposure to their wireless lav systems. I never had my hands on them during the shoot, so I can't address setup, ease of use, or any of that - but as I said, the audio quality and lack of any noise and interference was pretty impressive for something so cheap. Might be worth checking out for your budget.
rraud wrote on 7/31/2014, 2:02 PM
I recommend reading the DVinfo sticky: The $500 Wireless Question, or, "What cheap system should I get?"
http://www.dvxuser.com/V6/showthread.php?240037-The-500-Wireless-Question-or-quot-What-cheap-system-should-I-get-quot
wwjd wrote on 7/31/2014, 2:11 PM
why I want to go cheap: I don't "DO" commercial work that would use a mic clipped on, so I use my good recorder, boom, and shotgun mic for movie stuff.

My day job has politely asked if I would make a video of a guy for them. I said yes, but I don't have a radio mic, that I feel would be required for this shoot. So, I may be able to get them to buy this for me, but $600 (minimum bottom of the best) is not realistic for this budget.
It's a pathetic compromise, I know, and my primary skill was in recording studios, so I understand what skimping can do....

I dunno... can't really afford a $600 mic system right now, but you only live here once, right? Maybe I should jump and not look back. Could probably make use of it for teen cop....
Byron K wrote on 7/31/2014, 2:24 PM
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musicvid10 wrote on 7/31/2014, 2:38 PM
The $600+ Sennheiser systems (EW112, EW122) both come with pretty ordinary mic capsules, that you'll want to replace soon with ~$300 solutions.
wwjd wrote on 7/31/2014, 2:41 PM
wow that sucks! NOW I really can't afford it! Guess I'll stick with the cheap answer :)

SAMSON (Zoom?) makes a $200 UHF one... anyone use? I've been more than impressed with all my zoom gear so far
musicvid10 wrote on 7/31/2014, 2:59 PM
email me.
Laurence wrote on 7/31/2014, 3:07 PM
For any video work, make sure you get a wireless with a small battery powered receiver. Preferably one that you can mount to the hotshoe of a camera.
rraud wrote on 7/31/2014, 3:14 PM
It's really not worth buying a cheap wireless system. They're prone to interference even in the best RF conditions, and the sound 'quality' just plain sucks.
One option is to rent a decent system.
Another option is hardwired lavs if the talent isn't walking much whilst talking... the hardwired mics could be paired with portable recorders in place of wireless transmitters such as the Zoom H1 or other 'affordable' model .. of course in that scenario, you can't monitor the audio while recording.
wwjd wrote on 7/31/2014, 3:25 PM
Welp, I did the research, asked nicely, and work is covering 50% so I got the Sennheiser kit.
Will also use onboard and maybe H2+boom for backup.

ALMOST pulled trigger on SAMSON UHF version. Seemed decent reviews at great price.

Thanks for the offer musicvid, but I was going for full on camera remote ability.
rraud wrote on 7/31/2014, 3:47 PM
"I've been more than impressed with all my zoom gear so far"
- Opinions vary.
Speaking of which, be glad you DIDN'T get the Samson POS.
farss wrote on 7/31/2014, 4:47 PM
[I]"I got the Sennheiser kit"[/I]

Excellent but I'd also I highly recommend getting the MEK 2 Gold microphone to go with it. As Musicvid10 pointed out it does sound way better than the kit microphone. To that I'll also add that it'll last a lot longer, lapel mics do cop a lot of abuse and the MEK 2 is as close to indestructible as a mic can be.

One tip, take a little care with the minipin plugs when screwing them into the modules, it's not that hard to get them cross threaded and ultimately damaged. They still work but then they're hard to screw on and when unscrewing them they'll ride up the body of the connector and can get jammed on very tightly.

Bob.
wwjd wrote on 7/31/2014, 5:50 PM
good advice! Much appreciated
musicvid10 wrote on 7/31/2014, 6:28 PM
Bob,
Pretty sure you mean 'MKE 2' Gold.
It's an incredible sounding mic.
I still have a surviving MKE 2 'Red Dot' from yesteryear. Incredible lead mic.

Those locking mic plugs are the weakest link in the system. Order a few spares and keep them in your kit.
Remember to take the batteries out of the transmitter for storage.
Don't lay a live transmitter on top of a live receiver.
Tape the Mute button and lock the controls. Talent thinks they'll sound louder if they dick with the sensitivity (ha!).
Get to location early enough to scan for open channels. Hospital districts are especially bad cause they all use IEMs on the same frequencies.
John_Cline wrote on 7/31/2014, 6:37 PM
I had the chance to use one of the Audio Technica System 10 digital wireless systems last week and it was surprisingly decent considering its cost. The camera mounted receiver, body pack and lavaliere microphone can be had for $449 at B&H Photo. Much less if you opt for the larger AC-powered receiver.

http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1060929-REG/audio_technica_atw_1701_l_system_10_digtal_wireless.html
Laurence wrote on 7/31/2014, 6:45 PM
I talked a Church I do audio for into switching from the industry standard Countryman E6 to these cheap knockoffs for about a third the price.

http://microphonemadness.com/products/mmpsm.htm

They have a "sounds good as an E6 or your money back" deal, and they really do sound just as good as the E6 (which is awesome). We just ordered three more. This is a headset mic, but they have lavs as well for better hiding.

I've also had good experiences with the mics from soundprofessionals.com.

Both companies also make high quality DC-bias mics which work great with Sony, Panasonic and Nikon cameras.
Laurence wrote on 7/31/2014, 6:49 PM
There was a time when nothing but expensive mics sounded good, and of course the expensive mics still sound good.

The thing is that manufacturing tolerances are much better now on cheap stuff, and computer design has done much to level the playing field. If you know what to buy, there are some really great sounding budget mics now, and going that way is no longer a compromise.
musicvid10 wrote on 7/31/2014, 8:59 PM
In the trenches (theater, not church), the Countryman e6 capsules break like bubbles.
And a repair is $150 and up.

I'm modestly impressed by microphonemadness.com
Their $99 earset won't handle 135dB, but it is bulletproof, and you'd have to destroy three of them to pay for one e6.
They've got a $200 model with a Senny capsule; looks interesting.
farss wrote on 7/31/2014, 9:18 PM
[I]" Pretty sure you mean 'MKE 2' Gold"[/I]

Yes, my boss who is dyslexic keeps getting it wrong and now it's stuck in MY head :(

Bob.
wwjd wrote on 7/31/2014, 10:07 PM
...and here's why I don't do commercial video: the crazy STRESS from left field!
I ordered it 2nd day delivery ASSUMING Monday so I would have it for Tuesday shoot... I get an email saying it will arrive Tuesday or Wednesday! Well, I'll be across town FILMING!! Why did I pay a ton of extra money for 2nd day delivery if it will be 3 days??????

If I don't use it, the company might not reimburse me, and I am out $750 for a mic I don't even need!!

It's always SOMETHING.

I did email them asking WTH, and it COULD arrive early... I would have bought local but no one local carries it. grrrrrrr
musicvid10 wrote on 7/31/2014, 10:10 PM
2nd day delivery over a weekend often involves an extra day.
Next day guaranteed is in the hundreds.
It's an experience thing. You can always rent, but you'd better reserve it tonight.

And don't expect to learn the thing on the gig or from the manual. It's made in Germany, for god's sake.
Laurence wrote on 7/31/2014, 10:51 PM
Once when I was an audio tech at Disney World, I happened to be in the German Pavillion tech booth when somebody called wanting to know when they were going to get their mics back. The guy who answered the phone had no idea why that person would be calling him, or why I was laughing. What was going on was that some Sennheiser equipment had been sent off to "Germany" for repair, and somebody called the German pavillion (known around the park as "Germany") to check on it's progress... well at least this way everyone involved in the conversation spoke English!

John_Cline wrote on 7/31/2014, 11:20 PM
If you just needed it for one shoot, you could have rented one. I rent Lectrosonics when I need them since they are generally way too expensive to own.