Hi Brian
If you get the newer Adapetc 29160 cards They have a CPU built on the
card that hadles the SCSI through put from your drives, We use the
29160 because it has 2 SCSI ports and can handle up to 15 SCSI
devices on the same card. Port 1 (primary ultra 160) has a through
put up to 160 mb when you use a Ultra SCSI 160 HD. Port 2 (secondary
50 pin) Handles slower stuff like SCSI CDRW,CDroms,DVD Rams,Older
HD,so you don't slow down your ultra 160 drives. Yes it cost a lot
more but we see the performance difference on two PIII 450 one with
the 29160 and one without (sorry I don't remmber the name we bought
it at Best Buy)at 24 mixed mono and stereo and plugins (the same
project on both systems)the Adaptec system played fine,You could
resize the windows make Vol changes while playing and not get
studdering playbacks,the other SCSi card had some jerkyness and was
not as solid. They also have a cheaper card I dont know the model
name that has 1 ultra 160 port,I bought mine from Adaptec when they
frist came out so I paid more like $345 I bleave we bought the second
card for $275 from www.dirtcheepdrives.com. BTW the Ultra 160 drives
are 10,000 and 15,000 rpm 18gb Seagate Cheetha's

George Ware

Brian Franz wrote:
>>Well your system sounds very similar to mine, and I'm doing about
>>the same kind of things that you are. The only difference between
>>your system and mine is that I'm running 2 Gina Cards and SCSI hard
>>drives. Since you have a Gina I'm sure you're familiar with the
Echo
>>Reporter? When I first built my system I didn't have my SCSI Drive
>>first Installed. I was running a Seagate EIDE 9GB 7200RPM drive.
>>This is suppose to be the fastest of the EIDE's at the time. The
>>reporter showed that my system would handle 42 Tracks playing back
>>simultaneously. I then purchased a Tekram SCSI Card DC390F ($75),
>>which will handle 40MB/sec transfer rates. My audio drive for the
>>SCSI bus is a Seagate Cheetah 10K RPM 18.2GB ($225). The cost of
the
>>drive and SCSI card total then was about $300.00. The Echo
Reporter
>>showed my system could now handle 60 simultaneous Tracks playing
back
>>with this SCSI setup. So I gained 18 additional tracks for about
>>$300 bucks. SCSI is a lot better because it has better throughput
for
>>audio applications (ie it can handle the constant stream of info
for
>>longer periods of time) thus you won't have problems with audio
ever
>>gapping. Basically my suggestion is to forget upgrading the Gina
>>card, because this is a great sound card and put the money toward a
>>SCSI based system. I highly recommend the Tekram SCSI card for the
>>SCSI bus, it has the most bang for the buck compared to any Adaptec
>>cards. You'll pay at least double for the same features on an
>>Adaptec Card. Running Video and Audio at the same time is highly
hard
>>drive intensive and you're better off being safe than sorry.
>>
>>Brad Ketchen wrote:
>>>>Hello,
>>>>I have spent countless hours researching and reading forums
>>>>like this one and have decided on the following workstation
>>>>for video post (broadcast quality, output to BETA, S-VHS)
>>>>using Vegas Audio based on users comments and hardware
>>>>specifications (and a low budget to boot):
>>>>Pentum III 733 MHZ 128mb SDRAM, 6.4gb system hard drive,
>>>>30gb 7200 drive for audio/video, Miro DC30+ capture card,
>>>>nVidia TNT video card and my existing GINA audio card (to be
>>>>upgraded).
>>>>My question is, will the 30gb drive be enough keeping in
>>>>mind i'm not doing video editing just capturing for audio
>>>>post and i can't afford to go the SCSI route, or is SCSI an
>>>>absolute recommedation for broadcast quality output?
>>>>
>>>>Does anybody see any problems with my configuration or am i
>>>>selling myself short?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>>Brad

Can second the SCSI Ultra160 option with Vegas.

We went for the Seagate ST318404LW 18 GB, 10,000rpm, SCSI Drive with
the Adaptec A19160 Controller Card and paid $682.06 for the
combination, delivered, from http://www.dirtcheapdrives.com/ ... (we
are located in Texas and paid the sales tax, so subtract $50.00+/-
from the above if you are out of state.)

The A19160 is a bit cheaper than your A29160, but delivers the same
throughput with the Ultra160 drives.

Either one is an excellent choice for a harddisk subsytem for Vegas
in my experience.

KAC ...

George Ware wrote:

They also have a cheaper card I dont know the model
>>name that has 1 ultra 160 port,I bought mine from Adaptec when they
>>frist came out so I paid more like $345 I bleave we bought the
second >>card for $275 from www.dirtcheepdrives.com. BTW the Ultra
160 drives >>are 10,000 and 15,000 rpm 18gb Seagate Cheetha's

Thanks Karl
Im in El Paso,I'll look into that card

George Ware

Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>Can second the SCSI Ultra160 option with Vegas.
>>
>>We went for the Seagate ST318404LW 18 GB, 10,000rpm, SCSI Drive
with
>>the Adaptec A19160 Controller Card and paid $682.06 for the
>>combination, delivered, from http://www.dirtcheapdrives.com/ ...
(we
>>are located in Texas and paid the sales tax, so subtract $50.00+/-
>>from the above if you are out of state.)
>>
>>The A19160 is a bit cheaper than your A29160, but delivers the same
>>throughput with the Ultra160 drives.
>>
>>Either one is an excellent choice for a harddisk subsytem for Vegas
>>in my experience.
>>
>>KAC ...
>>
>>George Ware wrote:
>>
>>They also have a cheaper card I dont know the model
>>>>name that has 1 ultra 160 port,I bought mine from Adaptec when
they
>>>>frist came out so I paid more like $345 I bleave we bought the
>>second >>card for $275 from www.dirtcheepdrives.com. BTW the Ultra
>>160 drives >>are 10,000 and 15,000 rpm 18gb Seagate Cheetha's
>>

Thanks for the suggestions. Guess i'll go the SCSI route and tighten
my belt a bit. Good to know there is another option than Adaptec.
Keeping with the tight budget, any chance i can get a cheaper video
card than Miro? I saw a post that mentioned an All In Wonder 128 pro,
i know it's more of a toy but in my research i found it captures
720 X 480 fps (broadcast quality) and has the S-VHS outs. Any
forseeable problems going this route? My other option is going DV with
an A/D converter. If so, any suggestions on converters?

Thanks again,

Brad

George Ware wrote:
>>Thanks Karl
>>Im in El Paso,I'll look into that card
>>
>>George Ware
>>
>>Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>>>Can second the SCSI Ultra160 option with Vegas.
>>>>
>>>>We went for the Seagate ST318404LW 18 GB, 10,000rpm, SCSI Drive
>>with
>>>>the Adaptec A19160 Controller Card and paid $682.06 for the
>>>>combination, delivered, from http://www.dirtcheapdrives.com/ ...
>>(we
>>>>are located in Texas and paid the sales tax, so subtract $50.00+/-
>>>>from the above if you are out of state.)
>>>>
>>>>The A19160 is a bit cheaper than your A29160, but delivers the
same
>>>>throughput with the Ultra160 drives.
>>>>
>>>>Either one is an excellent choice for a harddisk subsytem for
Vegas
>>>>in my experience.
>>>>
>>>>KAC ...
>>>>
>>>>George Ware wrote:
>>>>
>>>>They also have a cheaper card I dont know the model
>>>>>>name that has 1 ultra 160 port,I bought mine from Adaptec when
>>they
>>>>>>frist came out so I paid more like $345 I bleave we bought the
>>>>second >>card for $275 from www.dirtcheepdrives.com. BTW the Ultra
>>>>160 drives >>are 10,000 and 15,000 rpm 18gb Seagate Cheetha's
>>>>

Yes Brad, I see that you're on a tight budget like myself, and yes
I'm sure those Adaptec 160 SCSI cards are great too, but I remember
the bottom line was Performance/Price = Bang/Buck. For Video Cards I
would recommend any ATI card....my video editor also recommends
them. For the best prices visit www.pricewatch.com. It's how I
built my last system. You can go there and type in "ATI Video Card S-
VHS" and do a search. Pricewatch then finds all the video cards made
by ATI with a S-VHS out and then lists them from the cheapest price
you will find on the internet and then gives a link to the website
that is selling it. Learn how to use Pricewatch.com and you'll save
tons of dough. It's the best kept secret for people building there
own computer systems.

Brad Ketchen wrote:
>>Thanks for the suggestions. Guess i'll go the SCSI route and
tighten
>>my belt a bit. Good to know there is another option than Adaptec.
>>Keeping with the tight budget, any chance i can get a cheaper video
>>card than Miro? I saw a post that mentioned an All In Wonder 128
pro,
>>i know it's more of a toy but in my research i found it captures
>>720 X 480 fps (broadcast quality) and has the S-VHS outs. Any
>>forseeable problems going this route? My other option is going DV
with
>>an A/D converter. If so, any suggestions on converters?
>>
>>Thanks again,
>>
>>Brad
>>
>>George Ware wrote:
>>>>Thanks Karl
>>>>Im in El Paso,I'll look into that card
>>>>
>>>>George Ware
>>>>
>>>>Karl Caillouet wrote:
>>>>>>Can second the SCSI Ultra160 option with Vegas.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>We went for the Seagate ST318404LW 18 GB, 10,000rpm, SCSI Drive
>>>>with
>>>>>>the Adaptec A19160 Controller Card and paid $682.06 for the
>>>>>>combination, delivered, from
http://www.dirtcheapdrives.com/ ...
>>>>(we
>>>>>>are located in Texas and paid the sales tax, so subtract
$50.00+/-
>>>>>>from the above if you are out of state.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The A19160 is a bit cheaper than your A29160, but delivers the
>>same
>>>>>>throughput with the Ultra160 drives.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Either one is an excellent choice for a harddisk subsytem for
>>Vegas
>>>>>>in my experience.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>KAC ...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>George Ware wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>They also have a cheaper card I dont know the model
>>>>>>>>name that has 1 ultra 160 port,I bought mine from Adaptec
when
>>>>they
>>>>>>>>frist came out so I paid more like $345 I bleave we bought
the
>>>>>>second >>card for $275 from www.dirtcheepdrives.com. BTW the
Ultra
>>>>>>160 drives >>are 10,000 and 15,000 rpm 18gb Seagate Cheetha's
>>>>>>

Hi Brian,

looks like there are several variations of the Seagate Cheetah 10K RPM
18.2GB, which model do you recommend?

Thanks,
Brad

Brian Franz wrote:
>>Well your system sounds very similar to mine, and I'm doing about
>>the same kind of things that you are. The only difference between
>>your system and mine is that I'm running 2 Gina Cards and SCSI hard
>>drives. Since you have a Gina I'm sure you're familiar with the
Echo
>>Reporter? When I first built my system I didn't have my SCSI Drive
>>first Installed. I was running a Seagate EIDE 9GB 7200RPM drive.
>>This is suppose to be the fastest of the EIDE's at the time. The
>>reporter showed that my system would handle 42 Tracks playing back
>>simultaneously. I then purchased a Tekram SCSI Card DC390F ($75),
>>which will handle 40MB/sec transfer rates. My audio drive for the
>>SCSI bus is a Seagate Cheetah 10K RPM 18.2GB ($225). The cost of
the
>>drive and SCSI card total then was about $300.00. The Echo Reporter
>>showed my system could now handle 60 simultaneous Tracks playing
back
>>with this SCSI setup. So I gained 18 additional tracks for about
>>$300 bucks. SCSI is a lot better because it has better throughput
for
>>audio applications (ie it can handle the constant stream of info for
>>longer periods of time) thus you won't have problems with audio ever
>>gapping. Basically my suggestion is to forget upgrading the Gina
>>card, because this is a great sound card and put the money toward a
>>SCSI based system. I highly recommend the Tekram SCSI card for the
>>SCSI bus, it has the most bang for the buck compared to any Adaptec
>>cards. You'll pay at least double for the same features on an
>>Adaptec Card. Running Video and Audio at the same time is highly
hard
>>drive intensive and you're better off being safe than sorry.
>>
>>Brad Ketchen wrote:
>>>>Hello,
>>>>I have spent countless hours researching and reading forums
>>>>like this one and have decided on the following workstation
>>>>for video post (broadcast quality, output to BETA, S-VHS)
>>>>using Vegas Audio based on users comments and hardware
>>>>specifications (and a low budget to boot):
>>>>Pentum III 733 MHZ 128mb SDRAM, 6.4gb system hard drive,
>>>>30gb 7200 drive for audio/video, Miro DC30+ capture card,
>>>>nVidia TNT video card and my existing GINA audio card (to be
>>>>upgraded).
>>>>My question is, will the 30gb drive be enough keeping in
>>>>mind i'm not doing video editing just capturing for audio
>>>>post and i can't afford to go the SCSI route, or is SCSI an
>>>>absolute recommedation for broadcast quality output?
>>>>
>>>>Does anybody see any problems with my configuration or am i
>>>>selling myself short?
>>>>
>>>>Thanks in advance,
>>>>
>>>>Brad