Best quality DVD

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farss wrote on 1/1/2005, 9:15 PM
No, DV is either 4:1:1 (NTSC) or 4:2:0 (PAL), the numbers refer to the sampling of the YUV, bigger numbers = better. Now DVD mpeg-2 is 4:2:0 for both PAL and NTSC, although the way the 4:2:0 is done is slightly different to how it's done in PAL but that's more of an issue for the players.
Now when you apply FXs or create generated media Vegas does its calcs in 4:4:4 land and then converts the result back to whatever it has to output. Now if the output is mpeg-2 you are going from 4:4:4 to 4:2:0. Now there's NO magic here, you cannot turn 4:1:1 into 4:4:4 however if you've pushed things with say CC the 4:4:4 output MAY sit better going straight to the encoder rather than going back to 4:1:1 and then to 4:2:0.
Certainly if you look at your DVD with a component feed from the player to the monitor you'll see a small improvement on things like text. But this isn't a huge step up. I'm now working pretty much that way, there's nothing to be lost so why not shoot for the highest quality you can. Well there is one downside. If you render to DV first and then encode and have to make a change you might be able to do it on the rendered file rather than go back one step furthe which could save you a lot of time in rendering.
The other way is to render out using the 4:2:2 YUV codec, just be warned, bigger files. Quality then is close to uncompressed but file size is smaller. 4:2:2 is broadcast quality.

Bob.
VMP wrote on 1/1/2005, 11:12 PM
Why all this fuss about rendering mpeg from vegas then putting it in DVDA??

I always put avi's in DVDA 'Fit to disc' and let DVDA do the rest.
Or is the mpeg encoder from DVDA2 so bad??, is there such big noticeable diferrences beteween the encoder from DVDA 2 and the above mentioned ones??
B.Verlik wrote on 1/1/2005, 11:16 PM
So are you getting 1 pass encoding or two pass encoding when you let DVDA2 do it?
VMP wrote on 1/2/2005, 10:27 AM
> So are you getting 1 pass encoding or two pass encoding when you let DVDA2 do it? <

Do you mean if it is re-encoding an existing mpeg?
It goes like this-
(1) capture DV ( PAL )
(2) Edit in vegas
(3) Render the project as avi ( Dv PAL) from Vegas.
(4) Place all the avi's in DVDA.
(5) DVDA Encodes it to mpeg and prepares the DVD.

So I guess 1 pass?!, I don't know much about the 'Pass' fase though. is it the times you render something?
B.Verlik wrote on 1/2/2005, 12:33 PM
2 pass will give you a much better render. Especially for long projects that have to have a lower average bit rate. The computer looks at each frame twice before it makes it's final render, making sure it's compression is used to give you a much cleaner picture. It does take a lot longer though. It may not be that noticable right away, since 1 pass will make most outdoor shots look pretty good anyway, but 2 pass cleans up artifacts and looks more professional, especially noticable in dark scenes.
FuTz wrote on 1/2/2005, 12:59 PM
Is that the same as "various bitrate" compression?
Where it compresses much or less depending of picture details within each frame?
B.Verlik wrote on 1/2/2005, 10:53 PM
It is normally used with Various Bitrate and yes it compresses depending on the complexity and that's why 2 pass is better looking in the long run. 2nd pass checks the 1st pass.
Miklb58 wrote on 1/11/2005, 7:49 PM
""For my money, the best quality comes from rendering my project to .avi and then going to DVA and letting it do the rest, my only function being to "optomize" the bit rate. I don't know why people fool around rendering to MPEG this or that. Let DVA do it! you have to prepare and burn the DVD, but from then on you can run off a 2-hr DVD in 12 minutes.
Burt""

Got me thinking that maybe you were on to something......so I did a little experiment...I had a Vegas project made of stills, music added, and a transition between each of the stills. For the experiment I cut the time line to 1 minute and:

test 1)
Rendered to AVI in Vegas5 1min21sec
Prepared in DVDA2 1min46sec
total time 3min07sec.

test 2)
Rendered Video to mpg2 in Vegas5 1min29sec
Rendered audio in Vegas5 0min08sec
Prepared in DVDA2 0min03sec
total time 1min40sec

Is this a fair test? If so I'll stick to rendering in Vegas

Mike