Best upgrade path for better peformance?

MikeLV wrote on 1/18/2020, 3:51 PM

Hi group, I need some suggestions for what to upgrade in this machine to make Vegas 16 run smoother and encode faster. Here's what I currently have. I don't do any 4K video, just HD.

  • Intel Core i7-2600K Sandy Bridge 3.4GHz
  •  ASUS P8Z68-V PRO Motherboard
  • G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
  • Radeon RX 590 (recently purchased)
  • Windows 7 64 bit (yes, still)
  • SSD System Drive

I read that the fastest CPU my board will support is the i7-3770, but apparently it's not much faster than my current chip, and I don't know much about overclocking either. So I don't know if that means I need to get a new board, CPU and more memory.. Thanks for any input.

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Rednroll wrote on 1/19/2020, 3:37 AM

8Gig of memory seems pretty low to me and is my initial knee jerk reaction.

However, going about this a little more scientifically, what I would do is playback one of your typical Vegas projects and then open up Windows Task Manager (Cntrl+Alt+Del) or Windows Resource Monitor if installed, which can also be accessed by opening Windows Task Manager. Those items will give you a visual representation of your CPU, GPU, Memory, HDD usage during playback of your project and therefore provide some insight of what could be most beneficial for an upgrade.

Personally, before I perform any H/W upgrades I try to fine tune my system by starting with seeing what else is running in the background and disabling as many startup tasks and other items running in the background which are not critical to system performance/stability. I recently discovered any Adobe software tends to like to run a bunch of stuff in the background that is not needed. Then I also look at drivers for individual devices needing update after I've performed bench mark testing (more on this below).

 

See this thread I started on Adobe background apps running:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/kill-adobe-bloatware--118410/

I would also highly consider moving to Windows 10. Many seem to like Windows 7, so I get it. Personally, I really like Windows 10 and found it to be the most stable and solid running Windows to date. YMMV.

I also like to run this UserBenchmarking utility linked below to see how my system and its individual components are performing compared to others with those same system components. That bench marking will often point to things not performing up to snuff which could be driver related and sometimes provides suggestions on settings within Windows to adjust to increase the performance. I'm an engineer and often have had to use statistical data to solve problems, and that's what userbenchmarks does for me. It allows me to identify and start asking questions like, "Why isn't my CPU running as fast as the other 90% of people with that same CPU?"

https://www.userbenchmark.com/

Dexcon wrote on 1/19/2020, 3:57 AM

Re RAM, have a look at:

https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/minimum-requirements-for-vegas-pro-16--113476/

...in which the first reply comment referred to the then published minimum system specs for VP16. Included was:

8 GB RAM minimum (16 GB recommended; 32 GB recommended for 4K)

Cameras: Sony FDR-AX100E; GoPro Hero 11 Black Creator Edition; Samsung S23 Ultra smart phone

Installed: Vegas Pro 13, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22 & 23, HitFilm Pro 2021.3, DaVinci Resolve Studio 20.3, BCC 2026, Mocha Pro 2026, NBFX TotalFX 7, Neat NR 6, DVD Architect 6.0, MAGIX Travel Maps, Sound Forge Pro 16, SpectraLayers Pro 12, iZotope RX11 Advanced and many other iZ plugins, Vegasaur 4.0

Windows 11 25H2

Dell Alienware Aurora 11:

10th Gen Intel i9 10900KF - 10 cores (20 threads) - 3.7 to 5.3 GHz

NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2080 SUPER 8GB GDDR6 - liquid cooled

64GB RAM - Dual Channel HyperX FURY DDR4 XMP at 3200MHz

C drive: 2TB Samsung 990 PCIe 4.0 NVMe M.2 PCIe SSD

D: drive: 4TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD (used for media for editing current projects)

E: drive: 2TB Samsung 870 SATA SSD

F: drive: 6TB WD 7200 rpm Black HDD 3.5"

Dell Ultrasharp 32" 4K Color Calibrated Monitor

 

LAPTOP:

Dell Inspiron 5310 EVO 13.3"

i5-11320H CPU

C Drive: 1TB Corsair Gen4 NVMe M.2 2230 SSD (upgraded from the original 500 GB SSD)

Monitor is 2560 x 1600 @ 60 Hz

RogerS wrote on 1/19/2020, 6:50 AM

What performance problem are you having? System looks okay to me. I used 8GB of ram for years. Create proxys or do a ram preview if particular clips call for it. For HD I think you'd be fine as is.

TheRhino wrote on 1/20/2020, 9:17 AM

Your 4-core 2600K @ 3.4 ghz is about as fast as my older 6-core Xeons @ 4.0 ghz. They are fine with 1080p work but could not keep-up with 4K. The 4-core i7-3770 will not offer much improvement for the fuss, but I would upgrade to at least 16 GB and use a separate internal 400 MB/s or faster SSD or RAID0 for your source files. You could also add a separate target drive, but a 100 MB/s SATA is fine since it can only be written to as fast as the system renders... However, I would not spend too much on older technology because it can quickly add-up to the price of newer, faster tech...

For instance, last April I upgraded one Xeon to a 9900K, motherboard, VEGA 64 & 32GB DDR4 for $1350 in upgrade parts using the same cases & drives as my Xeons. The 9900K is 2X faster rendering intermediates and many times faster working with HEVC MP4, etc. due to the CPU's QSV combined with VEGA 64. Around Christmas I got a $1000 6-core i7-9750H gaming laptop with an internal GTX 2060 GPU, 16 GB, and room for (2) M.2 drives & (1) SSD drive. It is also faster than my Xeons by about 40% and many times faster working with HEVC MP4, etc. due to the CPU's QSV

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

MikeLV wrote on 1/20/2020, 10:29 AM

Thanks for the information. Yes, I can see memory is definitely something I should upgrade having only 8GB. My 8GB is two 4GB sticks. Do you think I should add two more sticks, or completely replace the ones that are in there now?. Here's what the spec shows for memory support for the board. What would be the best memory to go with?

4 x DIMM, Max. 32GB, DDR3 2200(O.C.)/2133(O.C.)/1866(O.C.)/1600/1333/1066 MHz Non-ECC, Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel Memory Architecture
Supports Intel® Extreme Memory Profile (XMP)
* Hyper DIMM support is subject to the physical characteristics of individual CPUs. 
* Refer to www.asus.com or user manual for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists).
* Due to CPU behavior, DDR3 2200/2000/1800 MHz memory module will run at DDR3 2133/1866/1600 MHz frequency as default.

I've been hesitant to move to Win10 because I heard a lot of people told me they didn't like it. But now that support for 7 has just come to end, I guess that's where I have to go. Perhaps I'll start with those two upgrades, memory and O/S and see how things go. To the other poster, yes, I always close background running applications and have Vegas be the only major application running.

fr0sty wrote on 1/22/2020, 9:47 AM

Windows 10 is a must, especially if you intend on eventually upgrading to Vegas 17, where it is required.

If your board supports it, you'd probably get better performance out of 2 16GB sticks to get 32GB, or 1 stick if you only want 16.

Eventually, when you go to upgrade, take a look at the Ryzen 3 CPUs. Lots of bang for the buck.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

MikeLV wrote on 1/22/2020, 9:56 AM

@fr0sty thank you for the input.. Wow I had not even considered going AMD.. Better choice than Intel these days? Which CPU and Board combo are the best bang for the buck with AMD?

Rednroll wrote on 1/22/2020, 11:22 AM

Something to consider on the RAM upgrade. Your MB supports 4 slots as you mentioned, you currently have 2x4GB Dimms already populated as you also already mentioned. A more cost effective approach would be to add 2x8GB additional dimms to your existing memory which would put you at a 24GB total which is plenty. Later if you decide to go full out to your system max of 32GB, then you can get two more 2x8GB dimms. This way you're not just throwing away the 8GB you already have and in the end, you'll likely spend less going bu purchasing four 4x8GB than you would with 2x16GB dimms as previously suggested.

It's easy spending other folks money, with forum suggestions. The approach I'm suggesting above saves you money and gives you more options to evaluate in the step process of an upgrade.

Most 4 dimm slot Mother boards, typical the only limitation is that you purchase them in sets of 2 matching pair which also allows you to use the XMP support that your MB provides if they are a matching pair.

MikeLV wrote on 1/22/2020, 12:11 PM

@Rednroll, yes that was my plan.I called G.Skill and the guy on the phone said they don't recommend mixing different size memory. But from everything I can see, I think I'd be fine adding this pair to my existing pair:

https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-16gb-240-pin-ddr3-sdram/p/N82E16820231568?Item=N82E16820231568 so I think that's what I"m doing to do. Same brand, same specs.

fifonik wrote on 1/22/2020, 2:51 PM

I'd say investment in DDR3 RAM is dead end as all modern CPUs will need DDR4. So I'd upgrade the system as i7-2600K does not support modern CPU instructions (AVX) that are used in encoders. Also, it has only 4 cores (8 threads) that is not too much for video editing.

Modern CPUs are way faster (especially multi-core) and have much better RAM/SATA/USB performance (no NVMe in your CPU).

Ryzens are usually good choice, however there is a caveat. If you are going to AMD CPU you will lose iGPU that is good addition for decoding. Especially in your case as you have AMD GPU so decoding is not available on the RX 580.

P.S. If you are on tight budget, just get another 8GB (2x4G) of DDR3 RAM. YOu do not need more for editing FullHD. I would not worry about mixing different RAM brands as usually well known manufacturers co-exists quite OK. G'Skill offered lifetime warranty that I used a couple of times already.

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MikeLV wrote on 1/22/2020, 3:10 PM

@fifonik, the thought crossed my mind that the system itself is outdated at nearly 9 years old. Now I don't know what to do.. I don't understand what you said in your last paragraph about the caveat, can you elaborate on that so I can understand? If I go the AMD route is there a particular mobo and cpu combination that you recommend?

fifonik wrote on 1/22/2020, 3:37 PM

All modern Intel CPU have integrates GPU (called iGPU) that can be used for accelerating some parts of video editing process (might be tricky as monitor should be connected to the iGPU). For example, the iGPU can accelerate video decoding so CPU will not be doing this job. This is really important when you working with 4K / high frame rate video as the decoding becoming resource expensive.

As per parts recommendation: I'm not PC builder. I'm only building PCs for my home so I have quite limited brand/model experience. Usually all well-known brands (ASUS, GigaByte, MSI) are good. I'm trying to avoid ASRock as I used to have some issues (to be honest, I used to have issues with all brands mentioned above, the difference is -- how easy these issues were rectified).

Last time I prefer MSI or GigaByte for MB/GPU (you can check what I'm using now in my signature). So, I'd choose again MSI motherboard on B450 chipset with 4xDDR4 sockets and Ryzen 3600 or 3700X. Note: B450 chiopset does not support PCI-E 4. x570 chipset supports it but MB with this chipset is way more expensive.

The tricky part is support of the CPU by MB. Some MB on B450 chipset does not supports Ryzen 3xxx from the box and require BIOS update. So you have to have some older AM4 socket CPU to do the update. Some manufacturers/models allow you to do the BIOS update without CPU at all (my MB can to this, cheaper MB such as MSI B450 PRO VDH cannot do this). Or you can ask AMD to send you CPU to do this, however this takes some time (they offered such service for free). Newer MB revisions works fine from the box. If you going to buy this combo -- double check that the MB supports Ryzen 3xxx without BIOS update or ask seller to update it for you.

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Desktop: MB: MSI B650M Gaming Plus WIFI, CPU: AMD Ryzen 9700X, RAM: G'Skill 64 GB DDR5@6000, Graphics card: XFX RX-7900 XTX 24GB, SSD: Seagate FireCuda 530R2 (NVMe, OS), Samsung 970 Evo+ 1TB (NVMe, source footage), HDD WD 4TB, HDD Toshiba 4TB, OS: Windows 10 Pro 22H2

NLE: Vegas Pro [Edit] 11, 12, 13, 15, 17, 18, 19, 22

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MikeLV wrote on 1/22/2020, 3:45 PM

I have a two monitor setup and both monitors are connected to the GPU card. I also have a HDTV that is infrequently used for another purpose. When you say that the monitor should be connected to the iGPU, you mean the HDMI port on the motherboard should be connected to a monitor to get the benefit of the iGPU? If I connect the TV to that port, will that be sufficient? I'm going to add 16GB of memory to my current setup, and upgrade to Windows 10 and see how far that gets me at this point. I really don't want to go through the hassle and expense of a new build.

j-v wrote on 1/22/2020, 4:10 PM

@MikeLV

Your CPU has also a build in GPU, this one: Intel® HD Graphics 3000, not the best and fastest but if that does not showup in Options/Preferences/ Video, it helped me to allow it in the BIOS as a build-in graphics.

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MikeLV wrote on 1/22/2020, 4:16 PM

Yes, I'm actually messing with that now. I enabled it in the BIOS, but now Windows is showing 6 displays; I only have actually 3. (and no, it doesn't show up in the video preferences, only the AMD video card does)

fifonik wrote on 1/22/2020, 4:16 PM

Yes, one monitor should be connected to the HDMI port that is on MB. I believe connecting TV to the port will do the trick (the iGPU shoul be enabled in BIOS as already mentioned). Also, you will need to install Intel GPU drivers (windows might install something automatically, but I'd install driver from Intel).

After that you should have two GPU options in VP preferences.

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Camcorder: Panasonic X1500 + DJI OSMO Action 6

Desktop: MB: MSI B650M Gaming Plus WIFI, CPU: AMD Ryzen 9700X, RAM: G'Skill 64 GB DDR5@6000, Graphics card: XFX RX-7900 XTX 24GB, SSD: Seagate FireCuda 530R2 (NVMe, OS), Samsung 970 Evo+ 1TB (NVMe, source footage), HDD WD 4TB, HDD Toshiba 4TB, OS: Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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j-v wrote on 1/22/2020, 4:29 PM

Yes, I'm actually messing with that now. I enabled it in the BIOS, but now Windows is showing 6 displays; I only have actually 3. (and no, it doesn't show up in the video preferences, only the AMD video card does)

I think you first have to upgrade to Windows 10

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Marten

Camera : Pan X900, GoPro Hero7 Hero Black, DJI Osmo Pocket, Samsung Galaxy A8
Desktop :MB Gigabyte Z390M, W11 home version 24H2, i7 9700 4.7Ghz,16 DDR4 GB RAM, Gef. GTX 1660 Ti with driver
566.14 Studiodriver and Intel HD graphics 630 with driver 31.0.101.2130
Laptop  :Asus ROG Str G712L, W11 home version 25H2, CPU i7-10875H, 16 GB RAM, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 2070 with Studiodriver 591.86 and Intel UHD Graphics 630 with driver 26.20.100.7985
Vegas software: VP 10 to 23 and VMS(pl) 10,12 to 17.
TV      :LG 4K 55EG960V

My slogan is: BE OR BECOME A STEM CELL DONOR!!! (because it saved my life in 2016)

 

TheRhino wrote on 1/22/2020, 4:38 PM

If you choose to build an AMD system, choose the x570 chipset for some future upgradeability since it supports PCIe 4.0, the fast 3950X processor, etc. Then, you could start-out with the affordable 3700X for $300 & upgrade to the 3950X (currently $750) when the price drops. The 3700X is as fast as my Intel 9900K is many apps although it won't be as fast in Vegas due to Vegas' older code that benefits from the 9900K's near 5.0 ghz overclock & built-in Quick Sync Video (QSV)… Of course you could choose the faster 3900X for $500 or 3950X for $750 which will last you a lot longer before you will feel the need to upgrade...

Like you, I was using 9+ year-old systems for video editing because Intel was slow to make improvements at the upper end until AMD released Threadripper to compete. Last April I chose the 9900K over Threadripper because I need fast single core performance for an older legacy app. However, today I would choose the 3950X over both of those because it has more cores AND they are clocked pretty fast... Handbrake performance on the 3950X is really fast...

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

$999 Walmart Evoo 17 Laptop with I7-9750H 6-core CPU, RTX 2060, (2) M.2 bays & (1) SSD bay...

fr0sty wrote on 1/22/2020, 4:58 PM

I may not be AMD's biggest fan in the GPU world, but since Ryzen I have been in love with their CPUs.

Systems:

Desktop

AMD Ryzen 7 1800x 8 core 16 thread at stock speed

64GB 3000mhz DDR4

Geforce RTX 3090

Windows 10

Laptop:

ASUS Zenbook Pro Duo 32GB (9980HK CPU, RTX 2060 GPU, dual 4K touch screens, main one OLED HDR)

MikeLV wrote on 1/23/2020, 9:51 AM

I went ahead and ordered 16 more gigabytes of memory. Upgraded the machine to Windows 10 last night without a hitch. It's quite different from version 7, but I'm sure I'll get my head around it in time.

Question about the RX 590 video card. Windows 10 detected it and installed the driver as I can see it in the device manager. Does this mean I don't need to download the Radeon software package from the AMD website? I don't want to install anything I don't have to to keep things running smoothly.

john_dennis wrote on 1/23/2020, 10:53 AM

@MikeLV

"Does this mean I don't need to download the Radeon software package from the AMD website?"

So far, I'm using the driver delivered by Microsoft with Windows 10 and haven't felt the need to download an AMD driver for my RX480. I have Windows 10 in-place upgrades as well as out-of-the-box installations. The in-place upgrades allow my scanner and some very old versions of Photoshop to work where a clean Windows 10 installation doesn't.

john_dennis wrote on 1/23/2020, 11:09 AM

@fifonik said:

"All modern Intel CPU have integrates GPU (called iGPU) that can be used for accelerating some parts of video editing process..."

Intel HEDT processors (core i9-10900x, etc) generally don't have video adapters on board. One could argue that they are not that modern in view of innovations from AMD, but hey!

I'm eleven months from my next system upgrade and I've made a chastity vow not to buy a processor with a video adapter on-die. I'll use the power going to the processor socket for CPU cores.

fifonik wrote on 1/23/2020, 7:19 PM

@john_dennis Sure, you are precisely correct. I have to change 'All modern' to 'almost all modern', 'most modern' ' :)

Camcorder: Panasonic X1500 + DJI OSMO Action 6

Desktop: MB: MSI B650M Gaming Plus WIFI, CPU: AMD Ryzen 9700X, RAM: G'Skill 64 GB DDR5@6000, Graphics card: XFX RX-7900 XTX 24GB, SSD: Seagate FireCuda 530R2 (NVMe, OS), Samsung 970 Evo+ 1TB (NVMe, source footage), HDD WD 4TB, HDD Toshiba 4TB, OS: Windows 10 Pro 22H2

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TheRhino wrote on 1/24/2020, 6:40 PM

@fifonik said:

I'll use the power going to the processor socket for CPU cores.

For AVC & HEVC MP4 renders Vegas utilizes BOTH the onboard iGPU of my 9900K paired with my VEGA 64 GPU to fly through the "Red Car Test" noted on these forums in 14 seconds.  If I turn-off the iGPU I get slower renders. If you think about it, having the iGPU built into the CPU die is about as handy as having extra cores when it comes to video editing apps. This, plus 4.9ghz on all 8 cores, is why my 8-core 9900K performs as well as the 16-core Threadripper 2950X or newer 12-core 3900X...

I like to send paying clients quick MP4 renders of progress to-date so that we can collaborate on any needed changes. Recently I needed to re-render 5 hours of video after just one small change, so the faster renders are greatly appreciated by both me and my clients...

As noted earlier, however, if I were building today I would go straight to the AMD 3950X because all of the cores are clocked high-enough that it still does at least as well as a 9900K in Vegas but is MUCH faster in apps with newer code that take full advantage of multi-core CPUs...

 

Workstation C with $600 USD of upgrades in April, 2021
--$360 11700K @ 5.0ghz
--$200 ASRock W480 Creator (onboard 10G net, TB3, etc.)
Borrowed from my 9900K until prices drop:
--32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3200 ($100 on Black Friday...)
Reused from same Tower Case that housed the Xeon:
--Used VEGA 56 GPU ($200 on eBay before mining craze...)
--Noctua Cooler, 750W PSU, OS SSD, LSI RAID Controller, SATAs, etc.

Performs VERY close to my overclocked 9900K (below), but at stock settings with no tweaking...

Workstation D with $1,350 USD of upgrades in April, 2019
--$500 9900K @ 5.0ghz
--$140 Corsair H150i liquid cooling with 360mm radiator (3 fans)
--$200 open box Asus Z390 WS (PLX chip manages 4/5 PCIe slots)
--$160 32GB of G.Skill DDR4 3000 (added another 32GB later...)
--$350 refurbished, but like-new Radeon Vega 64 LQ (liquid cooled)

Renders Vegas11 "Red Car Test" (AMD VCE) in 13s when clocked at 4.9 ghz
(note: BOTH onboard Intel & Vega64 show utilization during QSV & VCE renders...)

Source Video1 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 on motherboard in RAID0
Source Video2 = 4TB RAID0--(2) 2TB M.2 (1) via U.2 adapter & (1) on separate PCIe card
Target Video1 = 32TB RAID0--(4) 8TB SATA hot-swap drives on PCIe RAID card with backups elsewhere

10G Network using used $30 Mellanox2 Adapters & Qnap QSW-M408-2C 10G Switch
Copy of Work Files, Source & Output Video, OS Images on QNAP 653b NAS with (6) 14TB WD RED
Blackmagic Decklink PCie card for capturing from tape, etc.
(2) internal BR Burners connected via USB 3.0 to SATA adapters
Old Cooler Master CM Stacker ATX case with (13) 5.25" front drive-bays holds & cools everything.

Workstations A & B are the 2 remaining 6-core 4.0ghz Xeon 5660 or I7 980x on Asus P6T6 motherboards.

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