Blackmagic-Design HD SDI

jwcarney wrote on 5/13/2009, 4:19 PM
I haven't upgraded yet, so, hoping someone can answer this.

The documentation for V9 states you can use a BMD SDI card for preview. If this actually works, thats a big step in the right direction.
Plus BMD lowered their price the the sdi only card to 295.00 USD.

Has anyone actually tried this? Seems it would free up some system resources.

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farss wrote on 5/13/2009, 4:46 PM
Don't know if this really helps you much.

I've used the basic SD Decklink card with V8 and it does work just fine for SD external preview. I'm a few days away from having V9 to actually verify that it works with that although I can think of no reason why it will not if SCS are stating it will. In fact once the drivers are installed it shows up under Windows as a "monitor".

In the interests of open disclosure I have to say that capturing SD SDI with V8 via a BMD card has been painful. SCS's position on this seems to be that it's not currently supported.

I'm also far from certain that it would free up any resources. To the best of my knowledge the way Vegas drives the card bypasses most if not all of the hardware acceleration on the card.

Bob.
quoka wrote on 5/13/2009, 10:10 PM
We have been running multple Decklink HD Extreme cards on a couple of Dual Quadcore Xeons, and a Single Quadcore PC.
They work flawlessly with 8.0c(32bit) but don't seem to be supported in 8.1 64 bit.

We just installed 9.0 (32 & 64) and neither appear to have any internal support for Decklink. We re-installed the Decklink drivers hoping this may do it - but alas it still doesn't show up.
We are hoping(big-time) that either SCS or Blackmagic write drivers for 9.0 as we have invested heavily with Blackmagic hardware and don't relish the thought of now having to buy AJA cards. BTW it looks like AJA only have support within the 32bit version of V9.

If anyone has had any success with getting Decklink/Intensity to work in 9.0 can you let us know.
Cheers
quoka wrote on 5/13/2009, 10:31 PM
"The documentation for V9 states you can use a BMD SDI card for preview."

Can someone point me to where it says this?
newhope wrote on 5/13/2009, 10:54 PM
"The documentation for V9 states you can use a BMD SDI card for preview."

It used to say it in the Technical Specs page but it has been replaced by a reference only to AJA boards now.

I know it was there previously because I copied the exact text into another thread about a month ago

Here's the link to the thread http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?ForumID=4&MessageID=649616[/link
Technomage wrote on 5/14/2009, 1:32 AM
The BMD reference seems to be gone for good reason. I was able to do a quick test. Although the card does show up, it's pretty much unusable. Vegas 9 crashes within minutes of enabling it. The machine also has 7 and 8 installed so maybe that's why 9 thinks it sees it. In any event, I think it may be time to switch to an Aja card.

This may have something to do with the new MXF capture via SDI. I know BMD cards aren't very sophisticated. Maybe they can't handle what 9 is throwing at them now.
MattWright wrote on 5/14/2009, 6:50 AM
Hi Quoka and whoever. So another upgrade of Vegas and another round of our Decklinks not working.

Although this time, its not's so bad, although Sony have removed support for the decklink cards there is a really easy workaround.

The Blackmagic cards will not work in the 64bit versions of Vegas at all, and in fact I spoke to BlackMagic tech support and they replied "At this time I am not aware of any planned support for Sony Vegas 9 64 bit. " which is a great response really.

Anyway the workaround, If you still have V8.0 32bit on your system, then, I would recommend getting the latest Blackmagic drivers, I am using 7.12 now, install it all up as normal.

then

Copy from "C:\Program Files (x86)\Sony\Vegas Pro 8.0\Video Hardware Drivers\DeckLinkVegas.dll" to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Sony\Vegas Pro 9.0\Video Hardware Drivers\DeckLinkVegas.dll"

and copy from "C:\Program Files (x86)\Sony\Vegas Pro 8.0\BMDDecklinkVideoProperties.dll" to "C:\Program Files (x86)\Sony\Vegas Pro 9.0\BMDDecklinkVideoProperties.dll"

and Voila.

You will now have Decklink support, as good as we had it in Vegas 8.0.

I havem't noticed this causing any more crashes than a very similar system without the Decklink, and in fact Frame Rates are pretty good. I just wish BlackMagic would bring out a 64bit Driver.

Matt
jwcarney wrote on 5/14/2009, 10:26 AM
I didn't realize they removed the text about Decklink. sorry for not checking.
I didn't want to use it for capture, just preview. $295.00 USD for the HD/SDI only version is what got me interested in the first place. I was hoping for a more affordable way to hook up to a calibrated studio monitor for color work.
I guess I can look around for a used Xena LHe if there is such a thing. I wonder how long before Vegas supports the new LHi series.
newhope wrote on 5/14/2009, 6:04 PM
Thanks for posting the work around but until Vegas 9 supports Blackmagic Design cards I definitely won't be upgrading from Vegas 8.0c

I use a Blackmagic Design Intensity Pro card for external monitoring. It is also compatible with FCP and ProTools on my Mac Pro, which I use via bootcamp for Vegas.

In fact the BMD cards are the only video cards qualified for ProTools LE on a Mac other than the external AVID Mojos, so the option of switching over to AJA cards isn't an alternative that works for me.

It appears that SCS and BMD need to get together on this problem and sort it out.
How hard can it really be afterall?

New Hope Media
MattWright wrote on 5/15/2009, 12:53 AM
Hi New Hope and others. When I say this is a work around, This method works properly.

Vegas 9, does really support the BlackMagic Cards, as in, you will get the Decklink card, as a proper drop down option on display device, and you can select, which Video format, you want to run the card at, and whether you want 8bit or 10 bit output, etc, etc. So full support.

The problem, stems I feel mainly from BlackMagic. I spent about 1 year, not being able to get my Decklink cards working under XP64 with Sony Vegas, constantly in talks with BlackMagic support, who just kept saying, its not supported, and I'm not sure why its not working. In the end I found out through a process of elimination, that it was just their installer, not putting the 2 files needed into the correct path on my system.

So that is all my work around does, it just puts these 2 files, which are supplied by Blackmagic, in the correct place. After that it is fine, it uses the latest Blackmagic drivers, it works flawlessy within Vegas, you can lay-off to tape, capture (SDI only). but mainly preview full screen on a proper calibrated external monitor.

It works, exactly the same, under Vegas 9.0 as it does in Vegas 8.0c.

Matt
farss wrote on 5/15/2009, 1:21 AM
Matt,
the only problem I've had is footage captured using Vegas and rendered using Vegas. AT random places the field order just flips. This is in the middle of a tape, encoded to mpeg-2 and burnt to DVD. All I've done in Vegas is trim the head and tape from what was captured.

The truly wierd thing is if I capture the tape using Ppro, Vegas works fine. If I capture using Vegas and encode using Ppro, no problem either. This has been a consistent problem in Vegas 7 and 8. Can't speak for 9 as it only arrived today.

Maybe this only happens in PAL but I'd suggest you check your output on something that can display field order errors. At one time I thought this was fixed and just by chance I watched the whole program and there it was.

Bob.
MattWright wrote on 5/15/2009, 1:58 AM
Hi Bob.

Blimey, That is weird, I'm not surprised you are a slightly cautious of it.

I am in PAL land myself, but I have never had those problems. But everyone's work flows are just so different, I guess that the great thing about what we all do, there is so many ways to get the end result, and its all about finding one that works for you.

We tend to shoot our own material, either on 5D Mark 2's or EX1's, then we just edit away, using the Decklinks and Vegas, and at the end of the project, we will tend to render to HD YUV, and a SD YUV file, and then use CinemaCraft to convert the SD YUV to MPEG2 for DVD Authoring.

It just works for me, apart from the Vegas render crashes, but I am just trying Blinks, Memory suggestion, which I have to say seems to have fixed my render probs.

Matt
farss wrote on 5/15/2009, 3:15 AM
For what it's worth here's what I've been doing.
1) Capture finished programs from J30 via SDI. Trim, render to mpeg-2 and author using DVDA. Do it all in Vegas and problem.
2) Capture from DB content that was telecined film for FCP user, no complaints.
3) Captured DB from J30s via firewire for when the client didn't care, never a problem.
Never had a problem with the YUV codec itself. One of the best things in Vegas.

Bob.
david-ruby wrote on 6/2/2009, 3:38 PM
I am using Vegas 8.0c and intensity pro. I only wish to use it as a preview card to our 42 inch lcd. What I get when viewing from the time line is a jagged edge picture. But when I click on the same file in the explorer window in vegas. It is perfect. I am also running a vista 64 bit machine so I have both vegas 8c and vegas 8.1.
Is there something I am doing wrong here? Also I only see aja and Deck link and OHCI compliant avaliable under preview device. No Intensity pro.
HELP!! : )
Thank you.