blu-ray bitrate calculation

L8R wrote on 12/30/2008, 10:21 AM
I have a bunch of wedding highlight demos that are currently rendered in .avi HDV 1080 60i intermediate.
I will be stringing these all together, not sure of the finished length but I speculate around 3 hours.
I want to render these to Blu-ray in HD.
Is there a Blu-ray bitrate calculator like the dvd calculator that can tell me what bitrate I must render these at to fit on a DL Blu-ray or SL Blu-ray disc?
Also, would my best option be the M2t. - Blu-ray 1440x1080-60i, 25 mbps video stream? or the 8 mbps? What's the difference?
Or
Should I just render all of them together in the same .avi form... 1440x1080-60i avi. then let DVDA 5 do the compression to Blu-ray?

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Coursedesign wrote on 12/30/2008, 10:44 AM
It's not just about what will fit on the disc.

BD players are all over the place, and I just found that a $1,000 combo player couldn't play a BD disc that was effortlessly handled by a recent $199 Samsung.

Unless you're 100% sure your customers have BD players bought in the last few months, and/or have updated the firmware (bwah-ha-ha!), estimate conservatively!

L8R wrote on 12/30/2008, 11:02 AM
This is just for me to show in my booth at the wedding show.
I just bought the Sony (don't know the full mdl #) s350 Blu-ray player.
I burned a test of one highlight on blu-ray using the blu-ray streaming template.
It played no problem and looked very nice.
I just don't want to wast 15 hours rendering all these files together only to find out it's too big to fit on a disc.
John_Cline wrote on 12/30/2008, 11:12 AM
If you have the Microsoft Excel spreadsheet software, you can download this Excel file for all types of bitrate calculations, including Blu-ray.

http://www.johncline.com/EncodingCalculator2.zip
L8R wrote on 12/30/2008, 12:45 PM
Thanks John,

John, I'm not too excel savvy.

If I'm doning this right. If I have 180min. of hd video and audio.
on a single layer BD-R - It would be somewhere around 16000 mbs
and on a DL BD-R it would be around 34,000?
Anybody know where the breaking point of quality is in bitrate compression? The point where you're going to start seeing loss in quality?

DavidMcKnight wrote on 12/30/2008, 12:52 PM
If I may jump in with my .02 worth; firstly I'm not doing any BR yet, but seeing as how you want to keep the highest bitrate and therefore the highest quality...pick your best 30 minutes and loop that.

No bride to be is going to be standing at your booth for more than 10 minutes...and if they are you need to book them.
John_Cline wrote on 12/30/2008, 12:59 PM
You seem to be doing it right. If you have exactly 180 minutes of video and encode the audio using 192kbps .AC3, then the bitrate would be 17691 Mbits/sec for a single layer Blu-ray disc (allowing for a 4% "safety factor" reserve.) For a dual-layer Blu-ray disc, you can double that figure.

There are too many factors to state definitively the bitrate at which one can say the image starts to degrade. If there is not much motion and the video is noise-free, then MPEG2 at 17691 mbps might be fine, if there is a lot of motion, then it may be a little too low. If you have the time (and it will take a long time to render) then using h.264 at 17Mbps would probably look great.
L8R wrote on 12/30/2008, 1:26 PM
David,

Yes I realize this. This will be my fifth wedding show.
What these are, are the highlight videos I provide each client with on their DVD's. I don't have time to go through each one and condence it all down to a smaller loop. As long as they stand and watch a few seconds of what ever is on the screen is good enough for me, it's all good footage. Some day I hope to have the time to take a few shots from each but right now I've got so much work piled up, it's not even an option.
John, thanks for your help. I have heard this H.264 before in reference to rendering for youtube or vimeo. Is this a third party render or is that one of the options somewhere in the many template options in vegas?
John_Cline wrote on 12/30/2008, 2:04 PM
It's under Sony AVC, just select the appropriate Blu-ray template.