Blu-ray logo

Skywalker wrote on 8/5/2008, 10:59 PM
Dear friends,
I have Vegas and DVD Architect and I would like render a Blu-ray disk to sell. Please, I would know:
1) is it possible to show freely the Blu-ray logo on video/cover or must I pay some tax for any license?

2) where can I download the Blu-ray logo?

3) if it is not free the use of Blu-ray logo, can I sell however a my own Blu-ray disk without the Blu-ray logo?

Thank you very much

Comments

John_Cline wrote on 8/5/2008, 11:13 PM
1) No, you can't and yes, you do.

2) Go to http://www.brandsoftheworld.com and search for "Blu-ray", there are two logos, each available in .EPS vector format.

3) Strictly speaking, no. In fact, if you read the Vegas and DVD Architect EULA, the MPEG2 encoder is only licensed for personal use. If you want to sell them, you must pay a royalty to MPEG-LA which administers the licenses for most (but not all) of the MPEG2 patent holders.

http://www.mpegla.org

EDIT: I had to really dig for the EULA since it is only displayed when SCS software is first installed and is otherwise well hidden on the web site. I found it here: http://www.sonycreativesoftware.com/corporate/eula.asp and discovered that they removed the reference to the MPEG2 license restriction. I wonder where it went?
DJPadre wrote on 8/6/2008, 12:22 AM
ok, with the logo, you must fill and submit a BD TM agreement.
From there, the official logos will be submitted to you via email and agreement with terms and conditions will be provided advising how the logos can and cannot be used. .

For actual BD licensing, your lookin at about 12k licensing fee...
This however ensures the punters that yoru produt meets the BD standards put forward.

Ive got a link for all this, but i need to fish it from my archives

richard-courtney wrote on 8/6/2008, 5:13 AM
Are you able to look a cd crystal case, a dvd case, and a blue ray case and tell
what might be inside?

Without an official logo on your paper insert most customers can recognize
your product.

Laurence wrote on 8/6/2008, 6:24 AM
If you put your burned discs in cases like http://www.supermediastore.com/dvd-case-single-blu-ray-12mm-50pk.htmlthese[/link] I'm sure they will be recognized as HD content Blu-ray discs regardless of whether they are labeled that way or not.

Heck you can even burn your HD content (up to a little over an hour on a dual layer disc) on regular DVD+-R in the AVCHD format and stick it in one of these cases.
Laurence wrote on 8/6/2008, 6:31 AM
How would a simple "Blu-ray compatible" label be legally?
JohnnyRoy wrote on 8/6/2008, 6:39 AM
> 2) Go to www.brandsoftheworld.com and search for "Blu-ray", there are two logos, each available in .EPS vector format.

If you read the terms and conditions on that site when you download, you'll see that these logos are not for commercial use (personal use only) so they will not help in this situation.

~jr
DJPadre wrote on 8/6/2008, 7:23 AM
http://www.blu-raydisc.info/content_prov.php

12grand for all format licensing... this is content.. that is, packaging, encoding formats etc etc etc

If however its ONLY the art, then this is actualy free...
nolonemo wrote on 8/6/2008, 8:49 AM
I could not get good quality out of the .EPS format with my graphics software (Photoshop CS3), but Google Images will find you some high-resolution logos you can tweak in PS (replace white background with transparent background, etc.)

I use the logos on disc of my home videos, so I'm not concerned about complying with licensing requirements....
UlfLaursen wrote on 8/6/2008, 11:45 AM
When I started out some years ago to make DVD's I checked it out, and found that you could not free of charge use the logo.

I found a similar logo from 'Sure Thing labeler' that I started to use. I am sure there will be something similar for BR

/Ulf
MSmart wrote on 8/6/2008, 12:20 PM
If you put your burned discs in cases like these I'm sure they will be recognized as HD content Blu-ray discs regardless of whether they are labeled that way or not.

Notice how they call it Blu-Ray DVD case with a capital R? There's your loop hole, call them Blu-Ray discs instead of Blu-ray and you should be okay, right? But then I'm not a lawyer.
Skywalker wrote on 8/6/2008, 11:23 PM
I thank you for your attention!

1)"if you read the Vegas and DVD Architect EULA, the MPEG2 encoder is only licensed for personal use. If you want to sell them, you must pay a royalty to MPEG-LA which administers the licenses for most (but not all) of the MPEG2 patent holders. "
Please how I can get license for Mpeg-2 DVD selling and how much it costs?

2)"For actual BD licensing, your lookin at about 12k licensing fee"
Do it means 12000 $ ?

3) If I get license for Mpeg2 then can I sell Blu-Ray (not Blu-ray...) without the official Blu-ray logo?

4) If I cannot sell Mpeg-2 videos after I buyed Vegas+DVDarchitect I wonder if vegas is or is not a professional software?

Thank you very much again
Skywalker wrote on 8/7/2008, 7:48 AM
Please is there someone to answer?
Thanks
john-beale wrote on 8/7/2008, 9:45 PM
From the emedia link: "It is not yet decided how this will be handled," says Geary, who is responsible for MPEG LA’s Blu-ray and other new patent pools. "But it’s likely to be addressed either in connection with the blank disc or as a charge to the duplicator." Until more information is forthcoming, it is difficult to know how to proceed. However, rather than gambling on what might eventually unfold, it may be prudent to estimate and begin accruing funds immediately to cover any back royalties, interest, penalties, and taxes that might be assessed in the future.
"Blu-ray Disc Licensing for Small Publishers, Duplicators, and Independent Studios", Hugh Bennett, Jun 26, 2008 emedialive.com
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I don't understand how anyone can realistically and legally sell Blu-Ray discs right now: "estimate...funds" !? estimate based on what? "penalties..." presumably for not paying what hasn't even been decided yet? What kind of business plan is that?
Skywalker wrote on 8/8/2008, 2:55 AM
I can buy Vegas but I cannot sell DVD made by Vegas: does it sound very strange?
I can buy a car but I cannot drive it out of my garage!
Why to buy a professional software if it is not possible to use it like a professional software?
I cannot understand.
Can you explain please?
Thanks
John_Cline wrote on 8/8/2008, 4:56 AM
This isn't an issue exclusive to Vegas, it affects all MPEG2 encoding software. In order for anyone to sell DVDs, they must pay a licensing fee for the use of all the patents involved. I doubt that many people are aware of this and sell thousands of DVDs every day without paying the fees.
Rory Cooper wrote on 8/8/2008, 5:14 AM
I understand your frustration

Simplify it

can you say blue ray compatible …yes no charge
do you really need to brand your stuff with a blue ray logo ..no

if by adding a blue ray logo to your discs you will sell plenty more, yes..… well then pay the man

back to your car illustration you forgot about licensing the car without that you cant drive the car

so cut DVDs in some other HDV, blue ray writer there are free ones available

don’t get bogged down by the technicalities of the law who have plenty prophets but no followers
just obey the principles in the law and you will be fine
Skywalker wrote on 8/8/2008, 5:55 AM
thank you friends, your clarity pays my ftrustration.