Bosi Graffiti 3 ltd integrally with Vegas 8??

blink3times wrote on 8/13/2008, 3:48 AM
We received Boris Graffiti 3 with Vegas 7.

Is there any way to make that work integrally with Vegas 8 so that we can work with it directly on the time line?

(Sorry... it's BORIS.... not "Bosi" as the subject heading suggests..... haven't finished my first coffee yet.... still not in gear)

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farss wrote on 8/13/2008, 4:18 AM
I think Boris would be mighty pleased if there was.
I've downloaded Red and I don't have a clue how much of it is even supposed to work in Vegas as the features they talk about are for AE. The only mention of Vegas on their site is V7.

Bob.
blink3times wrote on 8/13/2008, 5:11 AM
Well, I downloaded the trials of the latest Grafitti and FX. Both have install operations for Vegas 8 (and 7) to work directly within Vegas, and it just go t me thinking.... is there a way to do this for Graffiti3.

If I could do this then I wouldn't really need to upgrade to graffiti5. (Of course I believe this is what Boris wants anyway)
Rory Cooper wrote on 8/13/2008, 7:36 AM
Yes just add empty event add awesome Boris from fx enter Boris do your thing hit apply

With png and Vegas text you have to choose the correct alpha format then apply and then hit Boris again and work from their

I use Boris all the time and its mind blowing

with Boris you gotta be Bosi

JohnnyRoy wrote on 8/13/2008, 8:56 AM
> I think Boris would be mighty pleased if there was.

There is. Boris FX, Boris Graffiti, and Boris RED all integrate into the Vegas timeline. I use Boris RED all the time with my projects. What came with Vegas 7 was Boris Graffiti LTD which is the stand-alone version. It's primary purpose was so that you could see the benefit and upgrade to the plugin version at a discount (which I would highly recommend). It's a good deal.

> I've downloaded Red and I don't have a clue how much of it is even supposed to work in Vegas as the features they talk about are for AE. The only mention of Vegas on their site is V7.

Everything in RED works in Vegas. The only thing at doesn't work "seamlessly" are things that require motion because the Vegas SDK does not allow a plug-in to randomly access frames. All Vegas plugins have this limitation. That's why Mercalli has to secretly render video behind the scenes to process it. Other than that, everything in RED works as normal.

If you need to do motion in RED, just load the clip within RED after adding it as a plugin and do the tracking. There is no need to render the results because Vegas will use the tracking information when it renders so it can still be used as a plugin for motion too, you just have to do the workaround of loading the video manually once RED opens.

This is the single biggest request on my feature list for Vegas Pro 9. Fix the plug-in SDK. We should all be requesting it so that plugins can integrate seamlessly like other NLE's. I believe this is what you were referring to when you said: "I think Boris would be mighty pleased if there was." People blame Boris when it's a Sony limitation.

~jr
JohnnyRoy wrote on 8/13/2008, 8:58 AM
> If I could do this then I wouldn't really need to upgrade to graffiti5. (Of course I believe this is what Boris wants anyway)

As I mentioned in my post above, what came with Vegas 7 was Boris Graffiti LTD which is the stand-alone version. As you guessed, it was meant to entice you to buy the plugin version. Boris offers a discount for Vegas users if they do so it's a good deal.

~jr
farss wrote on 8/13/2008, 9:21 AM
"People blame Boris when it's a Sony limitation."

Absolutely and that's not the way to encourage 3rd party developers.

How long have we been asking for the SDK to be updated, I hope our wishes come true because when they do those that want the bells and whistles can buy what they need from 3rd parties.

That said I do believe there's many tasks better left to dedicated compositing applications. When I edit I want to be focussed on editing and I don't want playback slowed down by a zillion calcs or having the T/L cluttered with lots of tracks. Even when I do it all in Vegas if the compositing gets complex that gets done in its own project and rendered out or nested.

Bob.
kentwolf wrote on 8/13/2008, 1:18 PM
>>...so that we can work with it directly on the time line?

Though Boris apps are supposed to work with timeline integration, you are much better off using the Boris apps as standalone.

Though there technically is integration with Vegas, it's not a very good implementation of it.
Grazie wrote on 8/13/2008, 10:23 PM
Ditto ALL of what Johnny and Bob say

OK, firstly an apology - I'm wandering away from the initial post. But am I?

As users we get to a certain point in using Vegas (It Rox!) and think - "Hmmm? If only . . . " and this is true for our friend here. Here's the thing: If we DIDN'T have an NLE that allowed us to think in this way then we wouldn't even consider to ask the question in the first place. And I put this down to a simply observation that has been gnawing away in the back of my brain for some time now. And that is this: We have some extraordinary free thinkers on this board - I'll say that again - we have some amazing free thinkers on this board, and I believe this is purely due to the way Vegas allows us to do "most" things, AND allows us us to do these things from the ground up. We can mostly "engineer" what we want. And that is why I think that this NLE and this Forum has accrued to it these "free-thinkers". How many NLE's have the value-added opportunity of Scripting? Yeah? How about the access portal of Extensions? Yeah? Is that available elsewhere? Nuh-huh! Again, this produces and brings creative ways to the process of editing. And in turn, this continues to bring creatives to this board.

Now, having said all THAT, the expectations for us to be able to use 3rd Party-Plugs will be the "Holy Grail" for the future of "our" Vegas. I now have several 3rd party plugs, from tried and tested 3rd party companies. Having them work seamlessly within Vegas is what I am excited to discover in further iterations of Vegas. Well now, if I am feeling this way, then how do you think that those very same 3rd party vendors must be feeling? If Vegas has flexibility for me, as an editor of my own video output, how do you think 3rd party vendors must be wanting and itching for this to happen?

Creativity is at the core of Vegas - This is a "Plug for Plug-ins!"

I'll stop now . . .

Grazie