"Where people like Blink are getting confused is they don't know what timecode is"

Well I certainly won't argue too hard with that. Heck... I didn't really understand it until this thread. But I swear bob, when I use tc fx in ANY fashion (with hdv anyway) all I get is a running clock not from the hdv but rather generated from the vegas time line.

John Meyer wrote:
Note that there is a priority. If you place the fX on the track, the event, and the media, then one overrides the other, and that override order is the same as the order I just listed (track, event, media). Thus, once you place a timecode fX on a track, it will override any timecode placed on an event or any timecode place on the media. The other timecodes are still there, but they are underneath the one(s) which take precedence.

Unless you shift the position of one or more tc displays - in which case you can have multiple displays all running at once. You can have source, event, and timeline tc all ticking over together.

Regards
Kim Nance
Armadillo Post

Sorry Bob...

I may have lied above and you may be right. I took 2 clips and placed them on the timeline out of sequence from each other (first one in the second position on the time line)... then applied the time code via the script method. Instead of the first clip starting at zero, it started at 4 seconds... the second clip (which is actually the first) started at zero.

That would prove you to be right would it not? Vegas must have read the media time code in order to know that the SECOND one was actually the first and therefore it should start at zero.

OK,
I'll try agin.

Open Project Media, R Click the media and select "Media FX". From there select Sony Timecode. Select appropriate template for the FX.
All instances of that media on the timeline should now have the time code display in them.
Turn on Active Take name and timecode in thumbnails. The TC in both the thumbnail and the vision should match.

Now, things to know.

If you put a tape into your HDV camera and hit record what timecode the camera records depends on settings in the camera! Most consummer cameras I think record Record Run TC. So the TC in the clip will start from 0:00:00;00. When you drop the clip onto the timeline the TC FX will show that TC which will be pretty close to the T/L's TC.
If your first clip is recorded for 1 minute and you stop recording and start recording a new clip the second clips T/C will start at 0:01:00;00. Put that clip onto the T/L after the first one and you can see why you don't see much happening.

Now if you could set your camera into Free Run TC the outcome is different. Your first clip starts recording TC from the time when you reset the Free Run TC clock. The second clips TC starts from the time between when you reset the Free Run clock and when you started recording the second clip.

I'll drag out our HC5 later and see what if any options it has for controlling TC.

In general it's very true that Vegas sucks at the whole TC thing. The audio guys (and me) are still complaining about this. .

Bob.

"That would prove you to be right would it not?"

YES!

Bob.

Thanks Bob for sending the Add PAL TC to media - amazing the power of a 2kb file!

And Mike - Vegas can apply PAL timecode in the FX, just not in the script.

t's working just fine down here. I can't vouch for AVCHD but it works as advertised for HDV, I actually tested it.I actually tested before I wrote that last post, because I didn't want to say something stupid. I put an HDV tape into my FX1, captured it with the Sony HDV capture applet, and put that on the Vegas timeline. Even though I was capturing from the middle of the tape, the timecode which displayed when I put the timecode fX on the media in the media pool showed 0:00 at the beginning of the clip.

I then put a DV tape into the FX1, cycled it on and off so Windows would recognize it as a DV device, and then captured a few seconds of that tape. Again, I was capturing in the middle of the tape. I did the same thing as above, and this time, the timecode showed something like 25 minutes, which is the timecode at that point in the tape.

Now, perhaps I am missing some HDV setting on my FX1. I'd love to learn what it might be.

Unless you shift the position of one or more tc displays - in which case you can have multiple displays all running at once. You can have source, event, and timeline tc all ticking over together.I sort of tried to imply that when I said that all the timecodes are still there, but are just on top of each other. Of course figuring out how to shift the timecode without shifting the video can get to be a pain in the neck. You can do it with masks or the PIP fX, but it isn't easy (at least I couldn't find a quick way to do it).

Do you have 2-3 seconds of PAL HDV you could post so I could try it and see if I can get Vegas to recognize timecode in HDV? I wonder if this is something that is broken for NTSC and not for PAL.

"Even though I was capturing from the middle of the tape, the timecode which displayed when I put the timecode fX on the media in the media pool showed 0:00 at the beginning of the clip."

I'll try running the same test, just might take me a day or two, bit snowed under down under. I doubt it's a PAL / NTSC thing.

I'll also check this with a borrowed Z1 that I think lets you preset TC.

I'll also check files captured with Vegas in Ppro.

Bob.