Robert W wrote on 10/25/2008, 4:02 AM
There are reports of it working fine under Bootcamp. Well as fine as it runs on PCs anyway. There is very little difference between the two platforms now anyway.
JohnnyRoy wrote on 10/25/2008, 7:25 AM
It should work under Parallels as well. I use it under VMware on the PC all the time. I've got VMware machines for XP Pro, Vista 32, & Vista 64 all running Vegas on my desktop without any problems. The only limitation is that VMware doesn't virtualize the firewire ports so you can't capture (but that can be done with Bootcamp). Other than that it works fine. VMware Fusion runs on a Mac so I assume you would get the same experience if, for some reason, Parallels didn't work.

Cheno wrote on 10/25/2008, 7:50 AM
Runs as good or better than a native install ( on all Windows machine ) via Bootcamp. Have been running it since June 06 when Bootcamp was made available with the Intel macs.

Like JR said, VMware doesn't support firewire so if you need to capture or run firewire drives you're SOL. At least that's what I've been told. I don't know about virtualizing drives via firewire but up until recently you couldn't even do that. So unless you're using another card to output preview to an external or second monitor you can't even use a analog / firewire converter.

has that changed, JR?

JohnnyRoy wrote on 10/25/2008, 7:54 AM
Virtualizing drives is not a problem if you connect them to the host first. It will just look like another windows drive to VMware. This is because the host is handling the firewire interface for you.

Cheno wrote on 10/26/2008, 9:36 AM
That's good to know, actually. Makes me consider VMWare again. How are you previewing out. I'm using either a analog / digi converter for CRT or running to another LCD - Can't imagine that anything other than a firewire drive can be attached to the host and virtualized?

When I first tried VMWare though, man, Vegas ran well. I was surprised at how speedy and snappy.
ritsmer wrote on 10/27/2008, 2:33 AM
An OT question to Cheno: I am also enjoying Vegas on a Mac Pro. So far, so good.
My question is: have you been able to upgrade Bootcamp to the newest version and install XP SP3 on your machine?
I have tried it once a month (hoping for an update from Apple) since spring, but the Bootcamp installation runs for a minute or so and then it just disappears from the Task manager.
Hoping that this attempt might have installed the nescessary software anyway I try to install SP3 - this goes without problems but the PC becomes slow and does not work well afterwards - so every time I have to make a restore back to good old SP2.
If it ain't broke, don't fix it - but since the hacker attempts get more and more sophisticated it would be nice to be able to upgrade to SP3.
RNLVideo wrote on 10/27/2008, 6:37 AM
ritsmer -

I updated a new MB Pro to Boot Camp 2.1 last week. That part was fine (booted into Windows, downloaded the .exe and ran it). SP3's been giving us issues as we run both Boot Camp and Parallels - with Parallels pointed to the Boot Camp partition. Due to lack of time to sort it out, we've decided for the moment to get the Mac's up to Boot Camp 2.1, but wait on SP3. We're double checking to be sure that all other high priority updates are installed in the mean time.

MacVista wrote on 10/27/2008, 6:49 AM
I have Vegas 8.0c and 8.1 running on a Mac Pro under bootcamp with Vista 64bit. (4x3ghz Xeons, 8gb RAM, Nvidia 8800GT)

Both run very well and the extra RAM available makes life easier.

Vista is OK if you turn off all the Eye candy and unecessary stuff.

The only issue at the moment is the lack of 64bit plugins for Vegas 8.1
Cheno wrote on 10/27/2008, 7:20 AM
"An OT question to Cheno: I am also enjoying Vegas on a Mac Pro. So far, so good.
My question is: have you been able to upgrade Bootcamp to the newest version and install XP SP3 on your machine?"

Personally, I'm not running SP3 just yet so I haven't had any issues. I'm not online much at all with that machine aside from updates and haven't worried about security issues so far.
willlisub wrote on 10/31/2008, 9:34 PM
I picked up a new macbook and have spent about 40-50 hours trying to break it.

My config is set up OS X on 320 gb hd.
Run bootcamp and split drive.
Install WinXP Pro (must have service pack 2 built into the install)
(make sure you format the bootcamp partitiont with either fat32 (for less than 32gb) or NTFS for any other size during initial windows install.
Finish the first part of the install.
Reboot into windows XP
Put OS X disk into computer and have it install all the drivers (this take 10-15 minutes)
Install SP3
Install rest of PC programs, flash, qt, etc...
Install Vegas 8.0c
GB enet on machine flys.
HDV capture to internal drive (7200 RPM ) works.
HDV capture to Server via gb enet works.

Reboot into mac osx
Load Parallels.
If you have already installed windows via boot camp, this is the simplest way.

No firewire when running xp in parallels.
When in parallels running xp, you can get into your mac shared folder
Lots of do's and don't's, but it seems to run pretty decently.
It runs slower in parallels and no firewire to capture from when in parallels.

I have spent about 6 rebuilds working on system to clone drive. There isn't just a simple 1 step/2 step way of doing it. You can only make a drive image from Apples Disk Utils of the Mac partitions.
They fail on the Windows partition.

Cool little program (free) called winclone that will make a image file of the windows partition.
So far, so good. Not full featured, but it works.

Basically you use apple disk utils from DVD or other boot drive to make an image to restore the mac drive. Then from OS X, without parallels running, make a image of the windows drive using winclone.

Suggest you put both your mac and windows image files on backup drive.
Then booting from the Apple DVD or an other drive, make a mac partition on new drive or re initialized/partition on old drive.
Using Disk Utils on the install disk, clone the new drive from your mac image file.
Then reboot into your computer.
Run Bootcamp again. Set up new windows partition. Exit without installing windows.
Then run winclone and build the bootcamp partition with the windows image file you made earlier.
Saves about 3-4 hours of build time.

I have spent 80% of my time bullding, testing and rebuilding with different back up/ rebuild testing. But so far, no problems with Vegas or other video related stuff.

When you start up parallels and then windows, be patient, it takes a little xtra time to start.

Running on dual monitors in parallels is great. Just jump back and forth between monitors.

Big manual for parallels. Read it or at least skim through it.

The thing that blew me away, is before I replaced the 5400 rpm drive with a 7200 rpm drive, I was able to grab a 8 gb file from my server in a little over 2 minutes.
With the 7200 rpm drive, it was a tad faster. I think 3.4 gb per min.

This beats our windows to windows transfers over gb enet.

go figure.

Another cool program from Microsoft on OS X is Remote Desktop Connection. Lets me run other PC's on network from Mac OS.

Good luck.


Bluespoet wrote on 11/1/2008, 12:04 PM
Well, I guess the answer is yes, but why?
Vegas runs natively on a PC and running it on the PC you have all the advantages of a PC and yet, none of the negitives of owning a Mac.
Seems like a downgrade to me to run Vegas on a mac when you can own and run a PC
Cheno wrote on 11/1/2008, 5:03 PM
Why is there anything negative? You have the advantage of 2 operating systems and oodles of programs that go with. Dual boot is a pain sometimes but aside from that, the hardware on the mac side is every bit as good as the best PC hardware out there. I haven't had near the problems running XP on a Mac that I have with stock PC machines. Personal taste, I'd imagine but there are no negatives IMO.

kirkdickinson wrote on 11/15/2008, 12:42 PM
Well, I can get it to run on my MacBook Pro in vmWare Fusion.

Advantage really for me is that I can load a project on my laptop and take it to show the client and do minor tweaking. Don't have a PC laptop and am not going to get one.

Works for what I need it to do.

fausseplanete wrote on 12/20/2008, 2:32 AM
Regarding willisub's remark:
"Install WinXP Pro (must have service pack 2 built into the install)"

Why is this? A shame since I can see a used retail separate disks (main & sp2) XP on sale, but now It sounds like it would not be suitable.

What if separate disk install was initially (temporarily) made to a physical PC then Transported (via Parallels Transporter) to the virtual PC on the Mac?

Anyone know anywhere legit/reliable in the UK selling XP Retail ?

Or better still, since Transporting is just copying, any way to activate both copies? I don't mind paying for the extra copy, just want to know how to. Haven't the time to fiddle with and run the risk (drivers etc) of Vista.
ritsmer wrote on 12/20/2008, 2:54 AM
As far as I remember from my XP install on the Mac Pro it is because you can not change CD's during the install. It is a limitation in the Mac. I tried a 2 CD XP but had to go and buy a new single SP2 XP CD to make it work.
Have so far installed XP on a Mac Pro and also on the Mac Mini that feeds our plasma - and it works very well.
Only problem (if any) is that the Mac installed Windows XP can only "see" 2 GB of RAM no matter how much RAM you put into the machine..
CorTed wrote on 12/20/2008, 9:05 AM
So Windows runs on Mac.

How about having OSX run on PC's. That could be cool.

Coursedesign wrote on 12/20/2008, 10:32 AM
OS X on PCs has been done, most recently by people who want a Mac "netbook," Something Apple doesn't offer currently.

It's not that hard to "slipstream" SP2 onto a Windows XP disk, just google this. This will give you an XP SP2 disk ready to use.

fausseplanete wrote on 12/21/2008, 12:59 AM
Aha, "Slipstream", the magic keyword! Thank you very much.
MarkWWW wrote on 12/21/2008, 7:11 AM
That can be done too, though not legally - the Apple license for OS X does not permit its installation on non-Apple hardware.

Do a Google on"Hackintosh" to discover the details.

Coursedesign wrote on 12/21/2008, 9:15 AM

(Sorry everybody else, I was just curious about David's forum name.)

fausseplanete wrote on 12/21/2008, 9:49 AM
I'm sure this is the wrong planet...
Coursedesign wrote on 12/21/2008, 10:10 AM
"This" being "the 3rd rock from the sun," or...

(La fausse planète, c'est Pluton. En 1895, elle n'existe pas, en 2006, elle n'existe plus.)

fausseplanete wrote on 12/21/2008, 3:16 PM
The former.

I confess the phrase was not directly from me but translated by a French friend who as far as I remember initially said something like "la mauvaise planète" (as per Google translation) but then got excited that "fausse" was much more appropriate. She is "in" with colloquiallisms etc. which may possibly depart from pure french-french. If she is wrong then I'd better tell her she's been living in England too long!

I chose a french name for myself in a french blog she was running at the time, then shortly afterwards I joined the Vegas clan and just propagated the name. The english phrase came from one of my oldest friends repeatedly through the years stating about me "nice man, wrong planet", and that indeed is what it often feels like.
Coursedesign wrote on 12/21/2008, 3:30 PM
The French word "fausse' is the feminine form of the adjective "faux" which can mean the same in French as in English, i.e. "fake," or it can mean "wrong" in the context of a choice between options, such as in "nice guy, wrong planet."

Perhaps you should get the bumper sticker that says, Beam me up Scotty, there is no intelligent life down here!