Capture: Clip Counter ?

FuTz wrote on 3/28/2002, 8:16 AM
Hi, is there a way to get clips #s while I capture in Normal Capture mode? This way, I could take notes right from the top while I'm dumping those shots on my drives.
I noticed there is kind of a possibility in Advanced Capture mode but it's one shot at a time... no? Any tip someone (or another check box I didn't noticed)?

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deef wrote on 3/28/2002, 10:03 AM
Not currently, if I understand you correctly. You'd like a simple counter of the current DV scene detected clip while it's capturing? Or would you like that the clips get logged as they're captured, instead of them all showing up in the Post Capture dialog?
FuTz wrote on 3/28/2002, 3:19 PM
Yes, just a simple counter while it's capturing so I already got some "marks" on my notes...
FuTz wrote on 2/17/2004, 6:51 AM


"Not currently, if I understand you correctly. You'd like a simple counter of the current DV scene detected clip while it's capturing?"

Exactly, yes.

It's a bump, but I'd still like to get it !
johnmeyer wrote on 2/17/2004, 8:24 AM
A two-year bump. Now THAT'S A BUMP!
FuTz wrote on 2/17/2004, 4:38 PM
lol !
In fact, I was looking for something else with search engine about advanced capture and ran into that early post. Then I thought: mmm... I could use that now if there was one!

That didn't solve my other problem though...
GaryKleiner wrote on 2/17/2004, 4:55 PM
If you are unsure what the name of the clip is during capture, make your notes, but leave room at the top of the page.

When the capture is done, you will see the clip name (or you can rename it), then write that name on top of your notes!

Cool, huh?

Gary

P.S. I got a feeling that I have no idea what you are really asking here.
FuTz wrote on 2/17/2004, 5:11 PM


... and I'm not really sure either by reading your answer... I name my tape from the start when the window pops up... it's the clips being captured I'd like to monitor by their #s...

During capture, I look at the shots. Let's say all of a sudden, I see an "exceptional shot" (which is rare in my case up to now but hey, one day I'll grow up and do nice shots...) , I'd like to be able to already know what clip# is being played so I can "pre-log" my stock shot rapidly.
farss wrote on 2/17/2004, 5:16 PM
Aren't they usually one more than the last one and the last one is named in the window.
GaryKleiner wrote on 2/17/2004, 5:20 PM
I guess you are using Scene Detection? I didn't pick up on that, and figured when you capture a tape, you get one long clip (like I do it).

Anyway, why not go by the tape timecode?

Gary
FuTz wrote on 2/17/2004, 5:30 PM

Yes, I now go with the timecode to get the idea if the clip being captured is at the beginning/middle/3 quarts of the whole tape but I still have to check all my clips after to fall on the right one.
What I've got into mind is that after capturing (with scene detection "on"), you get all your clips numbered in some folder. Why not just simply put a counter somewhere in the VidCap window that could tell us exactly what clip# is being recorded on our hard drive, at this very moment while we are watching capture ? We get these numbers anyway so why can't we know *while* doing the job?
FuTz wrote on 2/17/2004, 5:34 PM

"Aren't they usually one more than the last one and the last one is named in the window."

!!!!! :-
Where do you see these numbers? You mean, the clips numbers?

I'm trying in a few seconds...
GaryKleiner wrote on 2/17/2004, 5:41 PM
>but I still have to check all my clips after to fall on the right one.<

I understand your request about seeing which clip is being captured if that is your workflow (personally, I am hardly ever monitoring the capture).

However, you could easily find which clip to finda certain timecode timecode in, in the detail view of the media pool.

Gary
FuTz wrote on 2/17/2004, 5:51 PM

Yes Gary, I was just checking this out after reading the previous posts. I don't have the numbers "while" doing the job for the clip numbers but I can note the timecode and refer to it afterwards. That's probably what I'm going to do in the future.
But hell, would that be easier just to have some clip counter in my case.
Just one more example: instead of using advanced capture to "spot" the right clips, I could just capture the whole tape with this clip counter, take note of the right clips numbers, then squarely get back to my clips folder when capture is done then delete all the other files except those I took note. Faster than putting ins and outs. I'd just use regions to edit after.
FuTz wrote on 2/17/2004, 5:53 PM


And, again, thanks a lot for your input guys !
GaryKleiner wrote on 2/17/2004, 7:44 PM
In my opinion, taking notes as the tape plays in real time is just throwing away one of the biggest advantages of working with footage that is available via random access (on hard drives).

You could be scanning through this footage so much faster and picking out the sections you may use, even categorizing them, etc any number of ways in Vegas.

Gary
Chienworks wrote on 2/17/2004, 8:17 PM
Well, yes ... and then again, no. Capturing from tape is a real-time process. If you're capturing an hour of tape, it takes an hour to do so and it will take that hour whether you scribble notes industriously or not. Therefore, unless you have something more pressing to do, such as mow the lawn, change the oil in your car, make supper for the kids, etc., then you could be wasting your time by not sitting there logging notes during the capture. Why not put the time to good use?
GaryKleiner wrote on 2/17/2004, 9:02 PM
My dishwasher takes about 40 minutes to clean a load of dishes. I do not sit there and watch it while this is happening and think about what order I am going to put the dishes away in.

Gary
FuTz wrote on 2/17/2004, 9:20 PM
Woah, didn't expect a debate from asking for a small, three digit device..!

I am not entirely relying on this counter I'm talking about for the whole creative process, of course.
But if I have like 20 tapes to load in my drives, I'm just saying that being able to write " 13-074: nice Chevy / red + flames" (ie tape 13, clip 74) while capturing would allow me to toss in the real nice shots I noticed on the timeline right after capture. I could then fill up with the other shots later but I'd already have something to start with there, on the spot.
Having these notes would also allow me to envision the whole sequences "surrounding" these shots I've been choosing on the drives. I sure don't want to precisely "log" each and every clip I put on my drives.
I could even take note of the shots I really don't want / really won't use and delete them right after so I quickly optimize my space too.

But each one's got his own method I guess. As long as everybody's happy...



AlanC wrote on 2/18/2004, 3:04 AM
This is one of the very few features that Studio 8 has over Vegas. You can hit the space bar to split scenes.

So when you see your "nice Chevy / red + flames" you wait until the end of that shot, hit the space bar and a new scene is started. Using this method, if it was incorporated into Vegas 5, you would know that all the shots of interest would be at the end of a scene.

I don't sit watching during the capture myself but this does seem like a good option for those who need it.

Food for thought.
Frenchy wrote on 2/18/2004, 7:32 AM
Did you read what you wrote Gary? - Watching your dishwasher is NOT in the same ballpark as as taking notes of your tape while capturing (unless your dishwasher has a video display in the door)...

futZ:
Have you tried logging the tapes PRIOR to capture, using the tape log features in the "advanced" tab of VidCap? I use this a lot - It IS time consuming, in that you're watching the tapes once, THEN capturing, but I've found it very useful for getting a "feel" for what I have on a tape, and for organizing and rating clips. This old thread had some good suggestions (especially the post from EPM):

http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=104702

have fun

Frenchy
FuTz wrote on 2/18/2004, 9:40 AM
Thanks Frenchy, I read this post and, with all the preceding posts right here, that's what I'm doing now: taking note of timecode while the shot passes by then I can go back via Media Pool (which I never used very much up to now) to relocate these shots.

STILL, and it's *not* an attack against Vegas, a simple little counter that actually counts the Clips as these are being recorded on hard drive would look simpler to me. Like, just one more little space aside the time code readings at the bottom of the VidCap window.

But I know now that I'm asking a little too much since I don't seem to be working like everybody works with Vegas. And as little as this counter might be, I have the idea that it's not that easy to incorporate something like this in a program.
I will adapt, that is.

And yes sir, I'm always having fun with Vegas, even being still in the "pee-wee" league since I don't earn my life out of it.
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