Capturing video Colors Very Dark

DVspeed63 wrote on 11/2/2003, 3:05 PM
I have been using Vegas 4.0 since early this summer and am very pleased with its power and versatility, looking forward to future updates. Earlier this year I also updated my video equipment from analog to Sony DSR PD150.
When I purchased Vegas I also upgraded to the new (Canopus ACEDVio) multifunction DV / analog card. When I captured video either from DV tape or analog into Vegas the captured video colors are out of balance, for the most part to dark. I just downloaded a wedding shot in super VHS through the Conopus card converting to DV into Vegas capture. The captured footage is extremely dark, as I was importing the footage I viewed it on a broadcast monitor from the super VHS play deck, picture was perfect. Into Vegas capture window the picture is extremely dark.
I have looked at adjusting my computer monitor color balance, but I feel this is not necessary, everything else I view is correct still digital images. The footage captured from my Sony DSR-PD150 is for the more part OK but is still dark. What I play the same footage back out to tape or DVD to colors are back to normal!. I think all of the support drivers are updated to the correct versions and OK, but I'm up for suggestions.
Help, this is very frustrating, I have completely read through the manual, searched your help on the Web with no success. I know there must be a simple answer for this but I can't find it, please forward your suggestions to solve my dilemma.
Thanks for all your time and effort in advance.



Comments

Chienworks wrote on 11/2/2003, 3:41 PM
What you are seeing is relatively normal, though maybe a little more extreme than for most other folks. The gamma for computer monitors is darker than the gamma for television so the same signal will look darker on the computer screen. If your eventual output is television then don't worry about it. As long as you can see it well enough on your computer screen to do the editing then the finished output will be fine. If on the other hand the intended output is the computer screen then you'll probably want to lighten the footage some. Using color curves is a good tool. Usually just boosting the high end a small amout will fix it.
BillyBoy wrote on 11/2/2003, 3:59 PM
If you can view on an external monitor first turn on scopes so all three show at once. Without seeing what you're seeing I can only guess. If you're talking about a fairly typical shot neither filmed in a dark area or a very bright area the luminance pattern should be fairly balanced meaning neither pushed to the extreme left (very dark) or extreme right (overly bright) when viewing the scopes AND your video on the external monitor. I woud trust the scopes more than what your camera or eyes are telling you as far as brightness levels.

Also look at the waveform pattern and toggle between luminance and composite. The entire waveform should fall withint 0 and 100. The brighter the shot the more bunching you'll get towards the higher values. That's expected. Depending on source a tiny nudge up or down adjusting levels, gamma (from the color corrector filter) can have a profound effect on the overall appearence of your project.

You can cheat a bit a go a little over a 100, maybe 105 for the type video you're making you're not worrying about having a "legal" broadcast signal.

What do you see? If the Histogram waveworm is just pushed a little left you can drop in the color corrector filter and bump up levels and gamma while you watch the Histogram levels.

Its very similar to adjusting levels in Photoshop which is the first thing you should consider when adjusting a still image which is adjust shadows and highlights, then midtones. Then move on the removing color casts, etc.. In Vegas you can also remove color casts (too red, too blue, whatever) by using the color wheels on the same filter.

Your goal should be to have a balanced picture on your external monitor that's neither too dark or bright and neither over or under saturated.

If your computer monitor and external TV aren't properly calibrated its sort of like that old story when five blind men are each feeling a dfferent part of some elephant and each of them giving a very different assement of what they're touching.

Another trick you can borrow from Photoshop is it has a info readout that shows the RGB values as you move the cursor over the image. While Vegas can't do it as well it does have a eye dropper (found under the media generator tab, bring up solid colors) that you can drop on another track and just push it around so that you can use the eyedropper tool. What you're looking for is a large variance in one of the RGB values. Almost always that's the color you'll want to tone down. For example if you get values like R 140 G 144 and B 200, your image probably has way too much blue unless of course there is a very blue object you're clicking on.
DVspeed63 wrote on 11/4/2003, 9:27 AM
BillyBoy, thanks for the insightful information with the differences between computer monitors and TV or broadcast monitors. In Vegas 4 how can I hook up my newly purchased broadcast monitor and still retain the picture in the preview window on my editing monitor? Is it possible to view them both at the same time?
BillyBoy wrote on 11/4/2003, 9:55 AM
AFAIK you can't have both at once. You need to toggle the switch above the preview window so it either displays on the computer monitor or your external monitor. It isn't that you lose anything, just that you can't view both ways at the same time. At least I haven't found a way.
BillyBoy wrote on 11/4/2003, 10:01 AM
What some new users to Vegas may not know is the various display windows at the bottom of the track area are all undockable. Not only can you 'undock' them, meaning resize and drag them around on the desktop or to a second monitor if you have one hooked up, you can also rearrange them by first undocking, then dropping them elsewhere at the bottom.

For example I have mine setup so that the left third of the bottom of the workspace has the Video FX tab, the Surround Panner, Explorer and Media Generators. I moved the preview window to the middle all by itself and lastly at the right bottom I have the scopes all showing. This arrangement works for me, others may find a different arrangement more useful.
thrillcat wrote on 11/4/2003, 10:26 PM
Check your display properties by right clicking on the desktop. There may be a "overlay" feature with your video card, which basically effects streaming video and gaming applications, and Vegas VidCap falls into this category, somehow. I was having the same issue. Capture window looked really bright, though. When I opened the video in Vegas, it looked fine. When I rendered and played in Windows Media Player, it looked really bright again.

I finally found the overlay control (after freaking out thinking something was wrong with my betacam deck) and reset the defaults, which fixed the problem.

Don't know how the settings got changed in the first place, but at least I got it fixed.