CD architect feature missing

Rednroll wrote on 6/6/2002, 8:19 PM
just remembered this one from awhile back. With Vegas I think there should be an "Add as Track" command in the trimmer window, just like there is in the media pool window. This way, if you save a file from sound forge and then open it in the Vegas Trimmer it already shows the Regions saved from Forge. Double clicking within the region selects the region and then it would be nice to have the "Add as Track" command, similar to how CD architect showed the regions and you could do this. Currently you can drag and drop the selected area, but then you lose your default spacing time, and it doesn't automatically add the track IDs.

Unless there's something I'm missing where you can already do this?

Comments

CDM wrote on 6/7/2002, 8:47 AM
no you can't do this. It's a MUCH needed feature. Add regions from trimmer as CD Tracks with default spacing...and, Add as track from trimmer.

I was hoping to at least see this in 3.0b....

:(

BTW, We need to brainstorm on how to successfully add a feature that allows CD tracks to be moved around in Vegas. This is something that it REALLY lacks now. How would the programmers do this considering it's a multitrack environment? Split all events at track boundaries and move what's inside the boundaries to desired location? Yuck. There has to be some way to do this efficiently... Let's try to give them some ideas, folks!
MacMoney wrote on 6/7/2002, 11:19 AM
What about a group feature?
If I removed song #11 of 20 and have all my X-fades done etc. I could just group and move P/Q and wave files all together? or create sub groups. and have the with a color code.
Just a thought.

George Ware
Geoff_Wood wrote on 6/7/2002, 4:52 PM
Another CD-A feature missing in Vegas is a clear concice uncluttered fully-relevant layout. bring back CD-A as a stand-alone app and/or SF plugin. In Vegas, want is needed is TAO or DAO single track writing. If you are mixing a whole bunch of multitrack audio in Vegas, you are inevitably working on JUST ONE TRACK !!!
Rednroll wrote on 6/7/2002, 5:20 PM
Ummmmm, after reading your post, I'm not quite sure you have used Vegas for a CD mastering app? Have you? Vegas to me is actually less cluttered because you have the option to put audio on multiple tracks, where CDA forced you to put them on top of each other making it more cluttered. But if you want to edit the same way as you did in CDA, then you have that option of overlapping audio on the same track also. I don't see the cluttered aspect, because you can close out and resize any window you want in Vegas. Can you elaborate on the cluttered aspect more? Also, Vegas does support DAO and TAO burning. Maybe you are using an LE version of Vegas, where I'm not familiar with the limitations of the LE version. The full version Vegas Video 3.0 has all those features you mentioned though. Although, I would still like to see Sound Forge 6.0 to be able to use CDA like it did in the past, but that's always been a losing topic for a long time now. I am glad the similar features have been added to Vegas though, so I can live without Sound Forge supporting it as a menu item as it had in SF 4.5.
Geoff_Wood wrote on 6/8/2002, 2:18 AM
No, I do multitrack recording in Vegas. When I have a project open in Vegas it is the multiple recorded tracks for that 'song', and the final rendered mix. I may wish to do a quick burn of that track from Vegas, maybe building up multiple pieces on a TAO disk one at a time, or more likely just a single track CD for 'evaluation'. The concept of introducing multiple separate pieces of music into that multi-track environment is to me an anaethema (sp ?).

I do intense stereo editing and a degree of 'mastering' in SF, as is facilitated by Vegas. TAO writing in SF is a relevant activity IMO. And as used to be, DAO burning in CD-A, which through necessity was tacked onto SF.

However I can never envisage the situation in which using Vegas to assemble a bunch of discrete separate tracks for subsequent DAO writing can be anything but cluttered. And just not the right place to be doing that sort of thing.

For me the ideal situation would be a stand-alone equivalent of CD-A, with no irrelevant windows or menus cluttering up the veiw. Just like they don't expect you to be doing fine waveform editing in Vegas..... geoff
Rednroll wrote on 6/8/2002, 1:21 PM
In my opinion, Vegas offers the best of both worlds in offering TAO and DAO. If you want to open a project for multitrack purposes and when your done you need a one off, then use TAO as you mentioned.

I use Vegas for both Multitrack and Assembling final CD projects together. When you use it for Mastering a CD together then you have the option for DAO. I prefer it much more than CD architect. In CD architect I would always run into a problem, where you could never overlap 3 events, If you overlapped 3 events one would mute. This was a major problem when you where crossfading two songs and someone wanted to add in some kind of verbal talking in-between the crossfade. Plus the fact that it was more cluttered than in Vegas. I'm still missing your observation in the "Cluttered" aspect of using Vegas to assemble a CD project. Vegas has many zoom options...infact, more than CD architect, plus the option of moving events to seperate tracks.

Also, a usual type of CD session for me would be a client would bring in all their final mixed songs and want to assemble them in the order they want. Also, they would like to create skits between the songs. I have a large sound FX's library, which my clients like to use, so therefore they like to build their skits while doing the final assembly of tracks. Before I would have to open up Vegas build the skit and then render it to a mix and then import it into CDA. Now, I just build it all within Vegas and have better mixing options between the songs and skit level.

Have you tried VV3 for assembling a CD project yet? I think you should try it first. A multitrack program which offered final CD mastering arrangement was a dream come true for me. I had wished that so many times when using CDA and running into brick walls of the 2 event overlap limit. As a reality check, you should go see what your options are in Protools, and Logic Audio. Protools....yeah right, they're still using "Masterlist", which is the worst CD arrangment program I ever used.