choppy playback in VMS 10 HD Platinum

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Birk Binnard wrote on 4/22/2011, 9:47 AM
T3i??? For video? How to do video with no continuous focus? And what about silent continuous aperture settings? Not to mention the overall size & weight of a full size DSLR. And all that useless mirror flapping mechanics.
ohmayamusic wrote on 4/22/2011, 5:20 PM
LOL - size does matter

I really like the smaller size of the GH-1. It may not look like much on paper, but it really does make a difference when youre working with it.
ohmayamusic wrote on 4/30/2011, 9:28 AM
Hi again Eugenia -

Two things - I downloaded the demo of Cineform NeoScene to try removing the pulldown from my 1080/24p AVCHD video. Can you please tell me what settings I should use in Cineform to optimize the playback in VMS10HD? If you have this info in a post on your blog, alink would be great, too!

Also I shot about 50 secs of FHD video from the GH-1 like you asked for you to play with. Where would you prefer I upload it to>
I will be flying all day Sunday so wil try to get it uploaded before I leave. If not Ill do it Monday!
Thanks again,
Flo
Eugenia wrote on 4/30/2011, 10:36 AM
No need to upload anything from the GH-1 anymore. Regarding Cineform: http://eugenia.queru.com/2010/03/14/starting-up-with-a-dslr-and-sony-vegas/ Follow the tip about cineform too.

Regarding how to setup Cineform, it depends how you shoot with the Gh1. In all instances it's AVI instead of MOV, but if you're going to convert to 24p, or if you must select progressive or interlaced in its prefs, it all depends how you shot.
ohmayamusic wrote on 5/6/2011, 4:08 PM
ok back from my trip - downloaded Cineform trial and will read your post re: settings in Cineform. I shot the video at 1080/24p on my GH-1 so is there any special setting for progressive or interlaced?.

I saw your tutorial for Avid so Ill try that as well!
Eugenia wrote on 5/7/2011, 10:41 AM
GH1 only records 24p inside 60i. On Cineform you select Automatic for progressive/interlaced, "convert to 24p", AVI, "High quality". Then all your MOV files will become 24p progressive AVI. Then setup a 23.976 fps progressive 1920x1080 1.000 project on Vegas to edit these files. Make sure that Vegas understands these AVIs as progressive, because there's a possibility that it gets confused and thinks they're interlaced. In that case, you do what's mentioned in the Cineform link found in the link above.
ohmayamusic wrote on 5/8/2011, 7:25 AM
OK! Going to try this right now.

BTW...I downloaded Streamclip to try the AVID codec and when I selected my AVCHD files (.mts files) it said it was an unrecognized file format. I noticed in your flowchart tutorial for using the AVID codec with Streamclip that it shows mp4 files as the source files. Does Streamclip not like .mts files?
ohmayamusic wrote on 5/8/2011, 8:18 AM
O HAPPY DAY!!!!
I used Cineform to transcode some 1080/24p video from my GH1. Took the resulting avi files into VMS and even with 3 New Blue FX applied it all pays smoothly in the timeline!!!

One observation - those exported avi files are big mutherf-ers!!!! and 18MB source file became 150MB and a 118MB source file became 559 MB whew!!!
Glad I bought a 2 TB external drive!!!
pierreontheair wrote on 5/8/2011, 8:58 AM
Hi there,
To me the choppy preview of AVCHD inVMS is a big issue, making this SW hardly usable. It is a pity, as otherwise VMS is great. I have tried all kind of settings for the preview without success. Apparently the only way is to use workarounds, such as proxy editing (down converting) or converting into cineform as you have tried. Cineform is quite costly. On the proxy front, I have tried using the free SW Super to create down-converted clip but it is vers buggy and takes for ever.

Given the current discounts on upgrades, I am thinking of going to Vegas Pro. Is this any better ? On the proxy front, there is the batch feature which sounds very helpful. Anybody had experience with it ? Or maybe preview is all together better on Vegas Pro ? Given I have a 64bits OS, would Vegas Pro run better ? Ideally, I would rather not use any workaround?

Thank you for your feedback on Vegas Pro vs. VMS.

Pierre
Eugenia wrote on 5/8/2011, 10:13 AM
pierreontheair, your best bet is Cineform. It's actively developed and very fast to both encode and decode. $130 is not "very" costly.

Vegas Pro is not that much faster btw, it's the same engine we're talking about. It's not like they were going to cap the decoding speed of Platinum.
Eugenia wrote on 5/8/2011, 10:13 AM
No, streamclip does not like MTS. Only accepts the filetypes Quicktime can.

>and 18MB source file became 150MB and a 118MB source file became 559 MB whew!!!

This is normal for any intermediate codec. You win in encoding/decoding speed, you lose in filesize.
pierreontheair wrote on 5/9/2011, 2:20 AM
Eugenia, thank you for the feedback.
Quick question: does Neoscene allow the batch processing of my AVCHD clips ?
Eugenia wrote on 5/9/2011, 9:54 AM
Yes.
ohmayamusic wrote on 5/10/2011, 7:27 AM
Hey Eugenia...I also have a Lumix LX3 that shoots pretty good HD video at 1280X720/24p. The output format is MOV (QuickTime Motion JPEG). VMS seems to like it better than the AVCHD files for playback.

For strictly web video for use on websites, in your opinion, when properly rendered in VMS, shouldn't that format be enough to achieve a good sharp movie?

Should I still run them through Cineform (is there pulldown to remove like on the GH-1?)

Will there be a noticeable difference between this resolution and a video shot at the 1920X1080/24p shot with the Lumix GH1 DSLR If both are output for web viewing?

If they are fairly equal, what would be the optimal output settings in VMS for rendering?

Thanks so much by the way. The amount I have learned in the last week or two from your responses alone have been invaluable. I fell much more confident
Eugenia wrote on 5/10/2011, 10:04 AM
>Should I still run them through Cineform (is there pulldown to remove like on the GH-1?)

If you shoot in 24p with the GH1, yes, you need to remove pulldown via Cineform. This will create a real 23.976 progressive footage to edit/export. The LX3 shoots real 24p (24.00 fps, not 23.976 -- make note of these details), no need for pulldown removal.

>Will there be a noticeable difference between this resolution and a video shot at the >1920X1080/24p shot with the Lumix GH1 DSLR If both are output for web viewing?

Yes, massive. When exporting in HD, it will be visible than the GH1 is much better. Even after a Youtube/Vimeo re-encoding the difference will be visible.

>If they are fairly equal, what would be the optimal output settings in VMS for rendering?

http://eugenia.queru.com/2007/11/09/exporting-with-vegas-for-vimeo-hd/