Clarification on BD recordable media restrictions

MozartMan wrote on 8/17/2007, 12:18 PM
This was posted on Blu-ray.com forum by SPE Blu-ray insider:

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Clarification on recorded media restrictions.

After doing some research, here is what I have been able to clarify.

Blu-ray players first manufactured after Spring of this year are required to support BD-RE v3.0 media (AACS enabled) for playback of recordings where copyright has been asserted (e.g. digital broadcast, managed copy from a Blu-ray movie and similar). These same players may playback authored content from other sources (e.g. home movies) where copyright is not asserted from either BD-RE V3.0 or v2.1 (currently available) media.
An exception was made for players produced before Spring this year such that they may playback authored BD movie content from BD-RE V2.1 media, even though they may not support V3.0 media. The PS3 is already fully compliant with the latest requirements. Other players may or may not be depending on current firmware revisions.

The simple summary is that a consumer can author their own content as they wish using currently available media and play it back on any player that was released prior to Spring 07' as well as any player released since that time, provided that the player can support BD-RE V3.0 media. If a newer player cannot yet support that media type, then BD-RE 2.1 support can be enabled as soon as firmware allows the player to do so.

The specifications are designed not to inconvenience any customer who wants to author content they own.

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http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=168144#post168144

Comments

blink3times wrote on 8/17/2007, 4:18 PM
Well that's really great. Now show me a choice of software for less than $150 that will burn a fully authored BDMV blu ray disk... because I can rattle off 3 for HD DVD.... and they don't even have a burner out yet.

What... can't find!?

The question is why?? It sure isn't because software companies are dumb and can't figure how to write the routines... Ulead did once already, but it's kind of funny that you can't see the program around anymore.

Oh... and just in case you don't believe me on the Ulead thing... you'll still find little tidbits around like this:
http://dvdone.netblender.com/2006/12/14/nextgeneration-dvd-authoring-tools-update-q4-06.aspx

If you scroll a bit down the page there you will see:
Blu-ray Disc BDMV (prosumer)

If you press on the Ulead link it will bring you to a "sorry.... no page exists" page.

What's more is that if you try talking to Ulead about this, they'll deny BDMV burning capacity ever existed, and refuse to talk about it any further.... You will NOT see BDMV burning on ulead6.... only BDAV

A TOTAL shot in the dark guess (and I could be WAY off)... Sony wants to set up and control 2 levels of licensing for burning... one for consumers and one for the pro level... more money that way.
apit34356 wrote on 8/17/2007, 6:13 PM
"A TOTAL shot in the dark guess (and I could be WAY off)... Sony wants to set up and control 2 levels of licensing for burning... one for consumers and one for the pro level... more money that way." blink3times, just guessing, but that is the same conclusion that I came too. I'm quessing, but the overall format design for the studios is being reserved for the big guys so studios don't have any serious retail problems with pirates and other entertainment sources.
blink3times wrote on 8/17/2007, 6:31 PM
"but the overall format design for the studios is being reserved for the big guys so studios don't have any serious retail problems with pirates and other entertainment sources."
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Well it's nice to see that we agree on SOMETHING! :)

Partially anyway. If in fact this is what's happening... it's got NOTHING to do with protection, pirates...etc. It's a PURE money grab. DVDitPRO does BDMV and you don't need any special certificate, license, or paper work to own it... just a fatter wallet.
apit34356 wrote on 8/17/2007, 6:42 PM
DVDitPRO, a product that I have, but yet to use in a serious way, is considered more a pro product than high-end consumer app. But this issue about BR burning reminds me of the early "years" of DVD burning. Only a few apps had any menu options.
blink3times wrote on 8/17/2007, 6:53 PM
I'm by no means a pro but I have quite a few pro type programs. In other words, just because a program is a little more difficult to use doesn't by any stretch mean that only pros will use it.

But the point is that BD burning could be a lot easier... right now... today.... even yesterday.... we can skip right over the "early years". Everything is there that is required to burn cheaply and completely.... so why isn't it THERE? (and THIS btw... is what has so irritated to no end with Sony)

MONEY.

Again TOTAL shot in the dark.... Sony saw ulead 5 and made a phone call... said: you want to include BDMV burning in your program, then cough up the license fee. Ulead took one look at the price tag and promptly removed the BDMV capacity.
MozartMan wrote on 8/17/2007, 7:47 PM
"Again TOTAL shot in the dark.... Sony saw ulead 5 and made a phone call... said: you want to include BDMV burning in your program, then cough up the license fee. Ulead took one look at the price tag and promptly removed the BDMV capacity."

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How do you know that? Did Ulead tell you that?
blink3times wrote on 8/18/2007, 3:32 AM
"How do you know that? Did Ulead tell you that?"
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"Again TOTAL shot in the dark..." (for those not aware of the expression.... it means I guessed)

But of course if you have a better guess... please by all means, let's hear it.

Look... don't get me wrong... I like Sony. I own a lot of Sony stuff because it's reliable and well built. You put my canon cam up against either one of my sony's and the Canon looks like a toy.

But if you get into Sony you have to do so with the understanding that they do control and restrict much heavier than most other companies. Proprietary technology is the name of the game with Sony. My Sony cam is one of the few if not only cam with an odd size accessory shoe.... I can only use sony accessories. We all know how easily Sony Vegas accepts third party plugins that bare another company name. Of all the editors that have taken on AVCHD edit, Vegas is the only one that actively went out of its way to restrict to sony cams only. This forum is a PERFECT example.... it's one of the few forums that I know of that completely restricts posting... you can't post if you don't own a Sony product. That shocked me a little because it certainly is NOT that way on the Avid boards

Now my GUESS with this burning stuff is simple: if you want to burn full BDMV then Sony is going to want you to pay more money.

Toshiba on the other hand... to this point anyway... it has been hassle free, and cheap.