Hi donatello,

I'm at the final stage, using vegas capture to playback a rendered
project, ready to print-to-tape.

Yes, it's only the slo-mo sections that are jerky.

The drive is pretty pristine, having been formatted and a new OS on
it (WinME) just a week ago so I could drop an Orange Micro 1394 card
on the system. Still have over 10gb available on an ultra2 scsi 17gb
drive, on an Adaptec 2940U2W controller. System is a Pentium III-500.

Thanks for your interest (help to come?),
Seth

donatello wrote:
>>just to be clear -
>>when you say dv output to external monitor i assume this is
>>previewing on external monitor playing back from VV time line?..
>>
>>or is it when you use vegas capture to playback rendered clip to
>>transfer to DV camera/deck??
>>
>>if it happens when you use vegas capture to DV camera - is it only
>>the slo -mo sections that are jerky ???
>>
>>
>>is your drive almost FULL ? have you defrag your HD lately ??
>>
>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>Hi all,
>>>>
>>>>Just trying to wrap my 1st VV project - mostly loving it.
>>>>
>>>>Clips captured from DV, outputting to DV... slow-motion
>>>>looks fine on previews, but is jerky or dropping frames on
>>>> Can you help?
>>>>DV output to monitor/print-to-tape.
>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-.75
>>>>of normal, clip contents include a lot of continuous motion)
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Seth Bloombaum

hummmm... that is strange ..and it has me stumped !!...
just to be sure .. open VV and bring that final ( rendered ) file and
put in on the timeline ..now play it using "play on external
monitor" if it plays without the jerky then i have NO idea ...if it
plays jerky ..then go back into you project and only render a
section ( several seconds) of the slo-mo ... now see if that new
clip is jerky ?? if NO then just re-render the slo-mo sections and
cut them in or re-render project?

>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-.75>>>
i just tried a slo-mo on VV. .4 - .75 = 40% to 75% ?or 4% to ? i
don't see .4 on my system it comes up as whole numbr %

Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>Hi donatello,
>>
>>I'm at the final stage, using vegas capture to playback a rendered
>>project, ready to print-to-tape.
>>
>>Yes, it's only the slo-mo sections that are jerky.
>>
>>The drive is pretty pristine, having been formatted and a new OS on
>>it (WinME) just a week ago so I could drop an Orange Micro 1394
card
>>on the system. Still have over 10gb available on an ultra2 scsi
17gb
>>drive, on an Adaptec 2940U2W controller. System is a Pentium III-
500.
>>
>>Thanks for your interest (help to come?),
>>Seth
>>
>>donatello wrote:
>>>>just to be clear -
>>>>when you say dv output to external monitor i assume this is
>>>>previewing on external monitor playing back from VV time line?..
>>>>
>>>>or is it when you use vegas capture to playback rendered clip to
>>>>transfer to DV camera/deck??
>>>>
>>>>if it happens when you use vegas capture to DV camera - is it
only
>>>>the slo -mo sections that are jerky ???
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>is your drive almost FULL ? have you defrag your HD lately ??
>>>>
>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Just trying to wrap my 1st VV project - mostly loving it.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Clips captured from DV, outputting to DV... slow-motion
>>>>>>looks fine on previews, but is jerky or dropping frames on
>>>>>> Can you help?
>>>>>>DV output to monitor/print-to-tape.
>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-.75
>>>>>>of normal, clip contents include a lot of continuous motion)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum

I'm afraid it's jerky under all circumstances when sent to external
monitor via firewire to my DSR-20 to a monitor. Have tried pre-
rendering those sections and playing from preview to external
monitor, slo-mo is jerky, everything else perfect. The "final" render
has jerky slomo when played to external monitor via timeline preview
or via video capture module preview or print-to-tape.

What's odd about this to me is that timeline previews in the preview
window look fine, even at 100% size. It's just when I go out to
firewire via external monitor preview, or vidcap print to tape that
it screws up.

Regarding slomo settings on clips, when I right-click on a clip, I
can pull down to properties... video, and specify a playback speed
from .001-.999 via a spinner box. Are you using a different method
(maybe I should try it!). Perhaps I'll try velocity envelopes this
afternoon... is that what you typically use?

Any other ideas? I've been through and benchmarked/tested all the
output options I could find.

Thanks,
Seth

donatello wrote:
>>hummmm... that is strange ..and it has me stumped !!...
>>just to be sure .. open VV and bring that final ( rendered ) file
and
>>put in on the timeline ..now play it using "play on external
>>monitor" if it plays without the jerky then i have NO idea ...if
it
>>plays jerky ..then go back into you project and only render a
>>section ( several seconds) of the slo-mo ... now see if that new
>>clip is jerky ?? if NO then just re-render the slo-mo sections and
>>cut them in or re-render project?
>>
>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-.75>>>
>>i just tried a slo-mo on VV. .4 - .75 = 40% to 75% ?or 4% to ? i
>>don't see .4 on my system it comes up as whole numbr %
>>
>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>Hi donatello,
>>>>
>>>>I'm at the final stage, using vegas capture to playback a
rendered
>>>>project, ready to print-to-tape.
>>>>
>>>>Yes, it's only the slo-mo sections that are jerky.
>>>>
>>>>The drive is pretty pristine, having been formatted and a new OS
on
>>>>it (WinME) just a week ago so I could drop an Orange Micro 1394
>>card
>>>>on the system. Still have over 10gb available on an ultra2 scsi
>>17gb
>>>>drive, on an Adaptec 2940U2W controller. System is a Pentium III-
>>500.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for your interest (help to come?),
>>>>Seth
>>>>
>>>>donatello wrote:
>>>>>>just to be clear -
>>>>>>when you say dv output to external monitor i assume this is
>>>>>>previewing on external monitor playing back from VV time line?..
>>>>>>
>>>>>>or is it when you use vegas capture to playback rendered clip
to
>>>>>>transfer to DV camera/deck??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>if it happens when you use vegas capture to DV camera - is it
>>only
>>>>>>the slo -mo sections that are jerky ???
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>is your drive almost FULL ? have you defrag your HD lately ??
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Just trying to wrap my 1st VV project - mostly loving it.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Clips captured from DV, outputting to DV... slow-motion
>>>>>>>>looks fine on previews, but is jerky or dropping frames on
>>>>>>>> Can you help?
>>>>>>>>DV output to monitor/print-to-tape.
>>>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-.75
>>>>>>>>of normal, clip contents include a lot of continuous motion)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum

Yes i use velocity envelopes ...with the velocity envelope you can
adjust slow /reverse/speed up while previewing it ...
yes give the clip in time line a right click and then velcity
envelope ..then while it is previewing just grab velocity line and
pull/push it up or down -all the way down and clip will go into
reverse



Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>I'm afraid it's jerky under all circumstances when sent to external
>>monitor via firewire to my DSR-20 to a monitor. Have tried pre-
>>rendering those sections and playing from preview to external
>>monitor, slo-mo is jerky, everything else perfect. The "final"
render
>>has jerky slomo when played to external monitor via timeline
preview
>>or via video capture module preview or print-to-tape.
>>
>>What's odd about this to me is that timeline previews in the
preview
>>window look fine, even at 100% size. It's just when I go out to
>>firewire via external monitor preview, or vidcap print to tape that
>>it screws up.
>>
>>Regarding slomo settings on clips, when I right-click on a clip, I
>>can pull down to properties... video, and specify a playback speed
>>from .001-.999 via a spinner box. Are you using a different method
>>(maybe I should try it!). Perhaps I'll try velocity envelopes this
>>afternoon... is that what you typically use?
>>
>>Any other ideas? I've been through and benchmarked/tested all the
>>output options I could find.
>>
>>Thanks,
>>Seth
>>
>>donatello wrote:
>>>>hummmm... that is strange ..and it has me stumped !!...
>>>>just to be sure .. open VV and bring that final ( rendered ) file
>>and
>>>>put in on the timeline ..now play it using "play on external
>>>>monitor" if it plays without the jerky then i have NO idea ...if
>>it
>>>>plays jerky ..then go back into you project and only render a
>>>>section ( several seconds) of the slo-mo ... now see if that new
>>>>clip is jerky ?? if NO then just re-render the slo-mo sections
and
>>>>cut them in or re-render project?
>>>>
>>>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-
.75>>>
>>>>i just tried a slo-mo on VV. .4 - .75 = 40% to 75% ?or 4% to ?
i
>>>>don't see .4 on my system it comes up as whole numbr %
>>>>
>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>Hi donatello,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I'm at the final stage, using vegas capture to playback a
>>rendered
>>>>>>project, ready to print-to-tape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Yes, it's only the slo-mo sections that are jerky.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The drive is pretty pristine, having been formatted and a new
OS
>>on
>>>>>>it (WinME) just a week ago so I could drop an Orange Micro 1394
>>>>card
>>>>>>on the system. Still have over 10gb available on an ultra2 scsi
>>>>17gb
>>>>>>drive, on an Adaptec 2940U2W controller. System is a Pentium
III-
>>>>500.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks for your interest (help to come?),
>>>>>>Seth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>donatello wrote:
>>>>>>>>just to be clear -
>>>>>>>>when you say dv output to external monitor i assume this is
>>>>>>>>previewing on external monitor playing back from VV time
line?..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>or is it when you use vegas capture to playback rendered clip
>>to
>>>>>>>>transfer to DV camera/deck??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>if it happens when you use vegas capture to DV camera - is it
>>>>only
>>>>>>>>the slo -mo sections that are jerky ???
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>is your drive almost FULL ? have you defrag your HD
lately ??
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Just trying to wrap my 1st VV project - mostly loving it.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Clips captured from DV, outputting to DV... slow-motion
>>>>>>>>>>looks fine on previews, but is jerky or dropping frames on
>>>>>>>>>> Can you help?
>>>>>>>>>>DV output to monitor/print-to-tape.
>>>>>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-.75
>>>>>>>>>>of normal, clip contents include a lot of continuous motion)
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum

Have you tried the "resample" event switch for the slo-mo'd stuff?
That can improve the look (not always, depends on the clip, speed,
etc)

It IS odd that you are seeing one thing on the external monitor and
something else entirely when you print-to-tape. If your pre-render
uses the NTSC DV template and your output render is NTSC DV, we are
just copying that pre-render, so it should be identical.

donatello wrote:
>>Yes i use velocity envelopes ...with the velocity envelope you can
>>adjust slow /reverse/speed up while previewing it ...
>>yes give the clip in time line a right click and then velcity
>>envelope ..then while it is previewing just grab velocity line and
>>pull/push it up or down -all the way down and clip will go into
>>reverse
>>
>>
>>
>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>I'm afraid it's jerky under all circumstances when sent to
external
>>>>monitor via firewire to my DSR-20 to a monitor. Have tried pre-
>>>>rendering those sections and playing from preview to external
>>>>monitor, slo-mo is jerky, everything else perfect. The "final"
>>render
>>>>has jerky slomo when played to external monitor via timeline
>>preview
>>>>or via video capture module preview or print-to-tape.
>>>>
>>>>What's odd about this to me is that timeline previews in the
>>preview
>>>>window look fine, even at 100% size. It's just when I go out to
>>>>firewire via external monitor preview, or vidcap print to tape
that
>>>>it screws up.
>>>>
>>>>Regarding slomo settings on clips, when I right-click on a clip,
I
>>>>can pull down to properties... video, and specify a playback
speed
>>>>from .001-.999 via a spinner box. Are you using a different
method
>>>>(maybe I should try it!). Perhaps I'll try velocity envelopes
this
>>>>afternoon... is that what you typically use?
>>>>
>>>>Any other ideas? I've been through and benchmarked/tested all the
>>>>output options I could find.
>>>>
>>>>Thanks,
>>>>Seth
>>>>
>>>>donatello wrote:
>>>>>>hummmm... that is strange ..and it has me stumped !!...
>>>>>>just to be sure .. open VV and bring that final ( rendered )
file
>>>>and
>>>>>>put in on the timeline ..now play it using "play on external
>>>>>>monitor" if it plays without the jerky then i have NO
idea ...if
>>>>it
>>>>>>plays jerky ..then go back into you project and only render a
>>>>>>section ( several seconds) of the slo-mo ... now see if that
new
>>>>>>clip is jerky ?? if NO then just re-render the slo-mo sections
>>and
>>>>>>cut them in or re-render project?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-
>>.75>>>
>>>>>>i just tried a slo-mo on VV. .4 - .75 = 40% to 75% ?or 4%
to ?
>>i
>>>>>>don't see .4 on my system it comes up as whole numbr %
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>Hi donatello,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>I'm at the final stage, using vegas capture to playback a
>>>>rendered
>>>>>>>>project, ready to print-to-tape.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Yes, it's only the slo-mo sections that are jerky.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The drive is pretty pristine, having been formatted and a new
>>OS
>>>>on
>>>>>>>>it (WinME) just a week ago so I could drop an Orange Micro
1394
>>>>>>card
>>>>>>>>on the system. Still have over 10gb available on an ultra2
scsi
>>>>>>17gb
>>>>>>>>drive, on an Adaptec 2940U2W controller. System is a Pentium
>>III-
>>>>>>500.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks for your interest (help to come?),
>>>>>>>>Seth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>donatello wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>just to be clear -
>>>>>>>>>>when you say dv output to external monitor i assume this is
>>>>>>>>>>previewing on external monitor playing back from VV time
>>line?..
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>or is it when you use vegas capture to playback rendered
clip
>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>transfer to DV camera/deck??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>if it happens when you use vegas capture to DV camera - is
it
>>>>>>only
>>>>>>>>>>the slo -mo sections that are jerky ???
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>is your drive almost FULL ? have you defrag your HD
>>lately ??
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Just trying to wrap my 1st VV project - mostly loving it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Clips captured from DV, outputting to DV... slow-motion
>>>>>>>>>>>>looks fine on previews, but is jerky or dropping frames
on
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you help?
>>>>>>>>>>>>DV output to monitor/print-to-tape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-
.75
>>>>>>>>>>>>of normal, clip contents include a lot of continuous
motion)
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum

Regarding jitter on slomo AND on stills:
Vegas is an elegant product. I love it and have ditched Premier
and other editing products.
However, I also struggle with jittery slomo. It jitters the same
whether printed to DV tape, or pre-rendered and viewed on external
monitor of DV camera. I use the velocity envelope, and anything under
about 30-40% is often shaky. I try using the "resample" switch. I try
changing the interlace method to "interpolate". I try rendering to an
empty Ultra 160 SCSI drive. Nothing seems to make it right.
I use slomo ALOT, and spend hours over and over trying to get it
better with less jumpiness. Sometimes a slomo event of under 40% is
okay....but I absolutely cannot figure out what it is
that "sometimes" makes it come out better. It seems to me it is some
type of interlacing problem (please forgive me if i don't know what
I'm talking about)...I don't think it's skipping frames.
I have PIII-800, SIIG firewire (also tried Pyro), 300+ memory,
32MB graphics card, ABIT BE6-2 mobo, SB premium, no anti-virus, no
nothing else running.
I think I've tried rendering only the slo-mo and bringing it
back into project. I need to check that again before saying for sure.
***** A related and even much bigger problem for me is trying to
freeze a frame. I set event velocity envelope to 0. If the frame had
any little (or big) movement, or flickering light, etc. then the
frame shakes badly. So I try to patiently move frame by frame until I
find one with the most "stillness" and use that. This is killing me
in time involved. The interesting part is that if I choose a res
smaller than 720x480 to preview at on the external monitor, and
set "resample" switch on the event, I can instantly see the frame go
rock steady on the external monitor even before rendering... but if I
set preview at "project size" of 720x480... here comes the jitter on
external monitor whether or not I "pre-render". Could it be a slight
bug in "resample" or interlacing when at 720x480? I went thru tech
support with several calls and no solution. I changed graphics cards,
Firewire cards, and DV cameras, but no change. Using Broadcast Color
Filter steadies the freeze on external monitor but only when at
360x240.
I also try method of COPY frame from preview window, PASTE to
Photoshop, bring back in to VV but that is so cumbersome, and also I
only get decent frame when preview is set at 320x480, and it gets
distorted besides when it comes back into vv.
Thanks Dave for all your helpful posts!!!!Can you freeze a frame
that had movement and not have jitter on external monitor? Does
anyone do it successfully? If so, I'll keep working on it.

Or does anyone do a lot of slomo at around 25% and not get jitter
on external monitor? If so, what DV card and system do you have. I
would buy any new piece of hardware to make it work, because I love
VV that much.

Thanks!!!



Dave Hill wrote:
>>Have you tried the "resample" event switch for the slo-mo'd stuff?
>>That can improve the look (not always, depends on the clip, speed,
>>etc)
>>
>>It IS odd that you are seeing one thing on the external monitor and
>>something else entirely when you print-to-tape. If your pre-render
>>uses the NTSC DV template and your output render is NTSC DV, we are
>>just copying that pre-render, so it should be identical.
>>
>>donatello wrote:
>>>>Yes i use velocity envelopes ...with the velocity envelope you
can
>>>>adjust slow /reverse/speed up while previewing it ...
>>>>yes give the clip in time line a right click and then velcity
>>>>envelope ..then while it is previewing just grab velocity line
and
>>>>pull/push it up or down -all the way down and clip will go into
>>>>reverse
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>I'm afraid it's jerky under all circumstances when sent to
>>external
>>>>>>monitor via firewire to my DSR-20 to a monitor. Have tried pre-
>>>>>>rendering those sections and playing from preview to external
>>>>>>monitor, slo-mo is jerky, everything else perfect. The "final"
>>>>render
>>>>>>has jerky slomo when played to external monitor via timeline
>>>>preview
>>>>>>or via video capture module preview or print-to-tape.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>What's odd about this to me is that timeline previews in the
>>>>preview
>>>>>>window look fine, even at 100% size. It's just when I go out to
>>>>>>firewire via external monitor preview, or vidcap print to tape
>>that
>>>>>>it screws up.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Regarding slomo settings on clips, when I right-click on a
clip,
>>I
>>>>>>can pull down to properties... video, and specify a playback
>>speed
>>>>>>from .001-.999 via a spinner box. Are you using a different
>>method
>>>>>>(maybe I should try it!). Perhaps I'll try velocity envelopes
>>this
>>>>>>afternoon... is that what you typically use?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Any other ideas? I've been through and benchmarked/tested all
the
>>>>>>output options I could find.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>Seth
>>>>>>
>>>>>>donatello wrote:
>>>>>>>>hummmm... that is strange ..and it has me stumped !!...
>>>>>>>>just to be sure .. open VV and bring that final ( rendered )
>>file
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>put in on the timeline ..now play it using "play on external
>>>>>>>>monitor" if it plays without the jerky then i have NO
>>idea ...if
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>plays jerky ..then go back into you project and only render
a
>>>>>>>>section ( several seconds) of the slo-mo ... now see if that
>>new
>>>>>>>>clip is jerky ?? if NO then just re-render the slo-mo
sections
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>cut them in or re-render project?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-
>>>>.75>>>
>>>>>>>>i just tried a slo-mo on VV. .4 - .75 = 40% to 75% ?or 4%
>>to ?
>>>>i
>>>>>>>>don't see .4 on my system it comes up as whole numbr %
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>Hi donatello,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>I'm at the final stage, using vegas capture to playback a
>>>>>>rendered
>>>>>>>>>>project, ready to print-to-tape.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Yes, it's only the slo-mo sections that are jerky.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The drive is pretty pristine, having been formatted and a
new
>>>>OS
>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>it (WinME) just a week ago so I could drop an Orange Micro
>>1394
>>>>>>>>card
>>>>>>>>>>on the system. Still have over 10gb available on an ultra2
>>scsi
>>>>>>>>17gb
>>>>>>>>>>drive, on an Adaptec 2940U2W controller. System is a
Pentium
>>>>III-
>>>>>>>>500.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for your interest (help to come?),
>>>>>>>>>>Seth
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>donatello wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>just to be clear -
>>>>>>>>>>>>when you say dv output to external monitor i assume this
is
>>>>>>>>>>>>previewing on external monitor playing back from VV time
>>>>line?..
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>or is it when you use vegas capture to playback rendered
>>clip
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>transfer to DV camera/deck??
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>if it happens when you use vegas capture to DV camera -
is
>>it
>>>>>>>>only
>>>>>>>>>>>>the slo -mo sections that are jerky ???
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>is your drive almost FULL ? have you defrag your HD
>>>>lately ??
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Just trying to wrap my 1st VV project - mostly loving
it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Clips captured from DV, outputting to DV... slow-motion
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>looks fine on previews, but is jerky or dropping frames
>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can you help?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>DV output to monitor/print-to-tape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-
>>.75
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>of normal, clip contents include a lot of continuous

Please make sure you are all using the 2.0b final release. We made
some significant improvements to the video time stretch behaviors.
Once you've got the speed the way you want it, pre-render that file
(or mix to new) so that you get full framerate playback. Try those
two first, with resample off.

Also: Still flickering. Try changing the media properties/field order
for that event to None (progressive).
That will usually make the flicker go away.

barbara dulick wrote:
>>Regarding jitter on slomo AND on stills:
>> Vegas is an elegant product. I love it and have ditched
Premier
>>and other editing products.
>> However, I also struggle with jittery slomo. It jitters the
same
>>whether printed to DV tape, or pre-rendered and viewed on external
>>monitor of DV camera. I use the velocity envelope, and anything
under
>>about 30-40% is often shaky. I try using the "resample" switch. I
try
>>changing the interlace method to "interpolate". I try rendering to
an
>>empty Ultra 160 SCSI drive. Nothing seems to make it right.
>> I use slomo ALOT, and spend hours over and over trying to get
it
>>better with less jumpiness. Sometimes a slomo event of under 40% is
>>okay....but I absolutely cannot figure out what it is
>>that "sometimes" makes it come out better. It seems to me it is
some
>>type of interlacing problem (please forgive me if i don't know what
>>I'm talking about)...I don't think it's skipping frames.
>> I have PIII-800, SIIG firewire (also tried Pyro), 300+ memory,
>>32MB graphics card, ABIT BE6-2 mobo, SB premium, no anti-virus, no
>>nothing else running.
>> I think I've tried rendering only the slo-mo and bringing it
>>back into project. I need to check that again before saying for
sure.
>> ***** A related and even much bigger problem for me is trying
to
>>freeze a frame. I set event velocity envelope to 0. If the frame
had
>>any little (or big) movement, or flickering light, etc. then the
>>frame shakes badly. So I try to patiently move frame by frame until
I
>>find one with the most "stillness" and use that. This is killing
me
>>in time involved. The interesting part is that if I choose a res
>>smaller than 720x480 to preview at on the external monitor, and
>>set "resample" switch on the event, I can instantly see the frame
go
>>rock steady on the external monitor even before rendering... but if
I
>>set preview at "project size" of 720x480... here comes the jitter
on
>>external monitor whether or not I "pre-render". Could it be a
slight
>>bug in "resample" or interlacing when at 720x480? I went thru tech
>>support with several calls and no solution. I changed graphics
cards,
>>Firewire cards, and DV cameras, but no change. Using Broadcast
Color
>>Filter steadies the freeze on external monitor but only when at
>>360x240.
>> I also try method of COPY frame from preview window, PASTE to
>>Photoshop, bring back in to VV but that is so cumbersome, and also
I
>>only get decent frame when preview is set at 320x480, and it gets
>>distorted besides when it comes back into vv.
>> Thanks Dave for all your helpful posts!!!!Can you freeze a
frame
>>that had movement and not have jitter on external monitor? Does
>>anyone do it successfully? If so, I'll keep working on it.
>>
>> Or does anyone do a lot of slomo at around 25% and not get jitter
>>on external monitor? If so, what DV card and system do you have. I
>>would buy any new piece of hardware to make it work, because I love
>>VV that much.
>>
>>Thanks!!!
>>
>>
>>
>>Dave Hill wrote:
>>>>Have you tried the "resample" event switch for the slo-mo'd stuff?
>>>>That can improve the look (not always, depends on the clip,
speed,
>>>>etc)
>>>>
>>>>It IS odd that you are seeing one thing on the external monitor
and
>>>>something else entirely when you print-to-tape. If your pre-
render
>>>>uses the NTSC DV template and your output render is NTSC DV, we
are
>>>>just copying that pre-render, so it should be identical.
>>>>
>>>>donatello wrote:
>>>>>>Yes i use velocity envelopes ...with the velocity envelope you
>>can
>>>>>>adjust slow /reverse/speed up while previewing it ...
>>>>>>yes give the clip in time line a right click and then velcity
>>>>>>envelope ..then while it is previewing just grab velocity line
>>and
>>>>>>pull/push it up or down -all the way down and clip will go into
>>>>>>reverse
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>I'm afraid it's jerky under all circumstances when sent to
>>>>external
>>>>>>>>monitor via firewire to my DSR-20 to a monitor. Have tried
pre-
>>>>>>>>rendering those sections and playing from preview to external
>>>>>>>>monitor, slo-mo is jerky, everything else perfect.
The "final"
>>>>>>render
>>>>>>>>has jerky slomo when played to external monitor via timeline
>>>>>>preview
>>>>>>>>or via video capture module preview or print-to-tape.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>What's odd about this to me is that timeline previews in the
>>>>>>preview
>>>>>>>>window look fine, even at 100% size. It's just when I go out
to
>>>>>>>>firewire via external monitor preview, or vidcap print to
tape
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>it screws up.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Regarding slomo settings on clips, when I right-click on a
>>clip,
>>>>I
>>>>>>>>can pull down to properties... video, and specify a playback
>>>>speed
>>>>>>>>from .001-.999 via a spinner box. Are you using a different
>>>>method
>>>>>>>>(maybe I should try it!). Perhaps I'll try velocity envelopes
>>>>this
>>>>>>>>afternoon... is that what you typically use?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Any other ideas? I've been through and benchmarked/tested all
>>the
>>>>>>>>output options I could find.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Thanks,
>>>>>>>>Seth
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>donatello wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>hummmm... that is strange ..and it has me stumped !!...
>>>>>>>>>>just to be sure .. open VV and bring that final (
rendered )
>>>>file
>>>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>put in on the timeline ..now play it using "play on
external
>>>>>>>>>>monitor" if it plays without the jerky then i have NO
>>>>idea ...if
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>plays jerky ..then go back into you project and only
render
>>a
>>>>>>>>>>section ( several seconds) of the slo-mo ... now see if
that
>>>>new
>>>>>>>>>>clip is jerky ?? if NO then just re-render the slo-mo
>>sections
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>cut them in or re-render project?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>(clip rate adjusted in clip properties, ranging from .4-
>>>>>>.75>>>
>>>>>>>>>>i just tried a slo-mo on VV. .4 - .75 = 40% to 75% ?or
4%
>>>>to ?
>>>>>>i
>>>>>>>>>>don't see .4 on my system it comes up as whole numbr %
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Seth Bloombaum wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Hi donatello,
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>I'm at the final stage, using vegas capture to playback a
>>>>>>>>rendered
>>>>>>>>>>>>project, ready to print-to-tape.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Yes, it's only the slo-mo sections that are jerky.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The drive is pretty pristine, having been formatted and a
>>new
>>>>>>OS
>>>>>>>>on
>>>>>>>>>>>>it (WinME) just a week ago so I could drop an Orange
Micro
>>>>1394
>>>>>>>>>>card
>>>>>>>>>>>>on the system. Still have over 10gb available on an
ultra2
>>>>scsi
>>>>>>>>>>17gb
>>>>>>>>>>>>drive, on an Adaptec 2940U2W controller. System is a
>>Pentium
>>>>>>III-
>>>>>>>>>>500.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for your interest (help to come?),
>>>>>>>>>>>>Seth
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>donatello wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>just to be clear -
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>when you say dv output to external monitor i assume
this
>>is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>previewing on external monitor playing back from VV
time
>>>>>>line?..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>or is it when you use vegas capture to playback