clip looks cool here but real bad on Vimeo...

Mindmatter wrote on 9/24/2012, 2:07 PM

Hi all

I just uploaded a short clip for a client that is made for his online catalogue, which after some initial trouble looks great on my PC. Original footage was a mix of Canon t2i and Sony EX3 1080p and 25fps. I first uploaded a rendered Vegas MP4 version which looked great on my PC, but really terrible on Vimeo. Jerky, stuttery pans, oversoft image and loss of contrast etc. I then followed musicvid's Vegas to YT tutorial by the word and created a second handbrake generated clip in 720p 25fps. This one is slighty better, but some pans are still very jerky ( even the ones generated by crop motion in Vegas) and have occasional weird horizontal artifacts, like a white line that looks like a short flash ( sorry no better way to describe it...).
I'm not sure how or where the client wants to embed the clip, but I feel like I cannot really recommend Vimeo as a platform. Am I missing something here or is that just the way it is with the heavy compression etc. that those sites use?
Thanks!

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musicvid10 wrote on 3/1/2013, 6:35 PM

I saw a couple of dropped frames in HD, but not "jerky as ****," at least not as bad as Vimeo used to be.

For some reason, the latest Flash Player I installed a week or two ago looks jumpier than the previous version. Might want to regress one version and see if that makes a difference.

Also, turning h/w acceleration on or off can have a big difference, depending on your system.

All in all, I thought the motion looked fluid, but not perfect.

Hope you make a million on your ads (so you can buy your son an HDCAM SR)!

Laurence wrote on 3/1/2013, 6:41 PM

It just looks so much better before Vimeo got a hold of it. With less motion, the difference doesn't jump out as much.

The thumbnail shot is my Nikon D5100 and there is one GoPro shot (and two animated Nikon stills). Aside from that it is all GH3. Boy do I love this camera!

musicvid10 wrote on 3/1/2013, 6:49 PM

The original MP4 I downloaded does look fantastic!
I guess it's the trueness in the reds that makes it look so natural to me.
The last two GH3 spots you've posted have been very comfortable to watch.
Although I'm not sure how they'll stand up next to those screaming Hyundai ads!

Laurence wrote on 3/1/2013, 6:58 PM

I'm uploading a slightly improved version. I just can't say enough about the GH3. It is by far the best camera I have ever owned. For my own computer playback, I render it to XDcam .mxf and play it back with the Sony XDcam player and it just looks stunning. Actually, looking at it any other way is a letdown. A render to XDcam .mxf played back with the Sony utility looks Planet Earth on Bluray great! The difference between that and what you see on Vimeo is just night and day different!

Laurence wrote on 3/1/2013, 11:21 PM

Ok, at 20 minutes past midnight, the motion looks totally smooth. I don't know if there is just less Vimeo traffic now, or if the ipad playback is just smoother, or if that last render was better, but whatever it is, it looks very smooth right now.

amendegw wrote on 3/2/2013, 4:04 AM

I did a lot of research on this subject some time back - different players, different source format, different bitrates, different framerates, etc. and have concuded what others are saying - web delivery of video is just not up to snuff. I have noticed that as Flash Players have been upgraded, the problem seems to have been reduced, but not eliminated.

Fast Pan Stutter Problem

...Jerry