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Softy wrote on 3/2/2004, 5:23 PM
Are you personally running this configuration?

My own system will be using some kind of high-end outboard converters, slaved to a master wordclock, so no SoundBlaster type sound cards will be in it.
Softy wrote on 3/2/2004, 5:49 PM
I want something like the MOTU interfaces (lots of 24/48-96 analog conversion channels, Adat I/O, Tascam I/O, AES I/O, etc.) but with Windows drivers that don't suck. I'm looking at the Aardvark Q10 analog interface, the RME stuff and some other things. I need wordclock sync, and will probably go with whatever the highest quality thing is, assuming it can be made to work reliably with this system. Don't anybody start talking to me about 24/192, etc. I'm not going there unless I have to. Price isn't really the determining factor for me. But I'd be much happier with 24/48 converters with lower jitter and better analog sections than I would be with cheap 192K stuff.
Softy wrote on 3/2/2004, 5:53 PM
That sounds like a nice system. That's something I could certainly live with, but I'd prefer to use one of the Asus MBs we use for clients (P4P800 for instance). But if I can't get a stable P4P800-based configuration, or one based on another MB we currently have to support for other reasons, I might very well go with this configuration, so thanks for this one!
Softy wrote on 3/2/2004, 5:54 PM
Somehow that got put under the wrong post. It was meant as a reply to JohnnyRoy.
Softy wrote on 3/2/2004, 5:58 PM
If so, why are all these people having all these problems?

Perhaps I'll build a P4P800-based setup as a test. Since I have most of what I need to do that, it'll give me a go/no-go test result. If it doesn't work out, I'll adopt one of the configurations listed by one of the people here.
Softy wrote on 3/2/2004, 6:02 PM
Thanks for that info, particularly the bit about the RT2500 card. That alone may have saved me many hours of frustration.
TVCmike wrote on 3/2/2004, 6:17 PM
Yes I have personally specified this configuration for a client who demanded absolute stability. It works. You're free to substitute the soundcard for an M-Audio or some such and add a known working firewire card (i.e. not TI). Also, I would put absolutely nothing else but the OS, CODECs, and editing software on it. No games, no word processing, no nothing. If you want to edit, edit. If you want to play games or word process iwth it, then do that.

Oh, and I forgot the video card for it, an Nvidia Quadro FX1000 dual head. My apologies for that.
RangerJay wrote on 3/2/2004, 6:53 PM
It is extremely stable. It's built on an iWill DP400 motherboard, which is slightly outdated by the DP533, which has a faster bus (533 vs. 400 MHz). Still, even though my computer is over a year old, it still kicks butt because it has two Xeon processors running at 2.2 GHz.

I plan to upgrade to faster processors soon, when the price drops again for Intel processors, which happens every few months. Then, my system will be reasonably up-to-date for another year. Not the fastest, but from a ROI perspective, it looks pretty darn good.

Good luck.

Ranger Jay
GlennChan wrote on 3/2/2004, 7:04 PM
Somewhat helpful...
I'm running:
ASUS P4P800 non-deluxe (deluxe has firewire port + 2 extra IDE/ATA channels)
P2.6C
1X512MB PMI PC3200 RAM (this is SINGLE channel, not dual channel)
80GB 8mb cache WD
80GB IBM
Asus Geforce FX5200 (single head) <--don't get the FX5200, it's a slouch in 3d and you can get a lower or higher end card instead.
winxp Pro SP1a
my dad bought some parts wrong so I don't have an ideal setup (dual head video card, dual channel RAM)

I'm finding windows has a lot of quirks... but Vegas hasn't crashed on me. I don't push it very hard though. The Asus utilities aren't very useful and just load your computer with crap.
riredale wrote on 3/2/2004, 9:35 PM
Softy:

I am a bit confused by the theme of this thread. In my own experience and based on monitoring this board for over a year now, Vegas is as stable as any program I've ever run. It's an entirely different experience from running a Pinnacle StudioX NLE, where looking at the screen cross-eyed will make it crash.

If your hardware runs XP well, then it will be as stable with Vegas. Makes no difference what motherboard you use, or IDE verus SCSI, or brand of hard drive.
GlennChan wrote on 3/2/2004, 11:04 PM
Well I guess based on other software and hardware, things don't always work out well.

For example, some of the VIA chipset AMD motherboards have a flaw where the board cannot maintain a sustained throughput of data. Every once in a while it has to stop everything and poll all the devices. This causes dropped frames.

A lot of the Premiere users are plagued by the buggy program ;), but people using the hardware acceleration boards have a whole bunch of problems finding the right motherboard that works with their cards. Avid/Mojo users have to figure out issues with the firewire/PCI buses. On the other hand, I don't know of any significant configuration issues with Vegas. Perhaps that is the question we should be asking: which configurations DON'T work?
Softy wrote on 3/3/2004, 8:29 AM
Thanks. Since I happen to have a bunch of P4P800 MBs, I'll probably try it just to see how it works out.
Softy wrote on 3/3/2004, 8:33 AM
Thanks again. I have had bad experiences in the past, with Intel MBs. But I may give this a try.
Softy wrote on 3/3/2004, 2:06 PM
As a very experienced PC tech with 30 years experience building computers, I have to say that unless you are privy to some inside Vegas-related architectural info, I'd have to doubt the veracity of that assertion.

Practically everything matters - chipsets, video cards (and especially their drivers), as do disk channel throat speed, system settings, etc., etc.
MarkWWW wrote on 3/3/2004, 3:08 PM
Here's the spec of my current Vegas machine:

Asus SK8N
AMD Athlon64 FX51
2 x 512MB Corsair PC3200 ECC RAM
MSI GeForce FX5700 Ultra-TD
Maxtor DiamondMax+9 120GB SATA Hard Drive (system, apps, etc)
Maxtor DiamondMax+2 250GB SATA Hard Drive (media)
Sony DRU-510A DVD writer
Pioneer DVD-120S DVD-ROM
Samsung 193TB 19" LCD Monitor
Gateway FPD1570 17" LCD Monitor
XP Pro
RME Hammerfall DSP + Multiface
Contour ShuttlePro
Canopus ADVC-100
Sony SoundForge 7
Sony AcidPro 4
Sony Vegas 4 + DVD Architect 1
Sonar 3 Producer

I first powered it up just before Xmas and it has been in more or less daily use since then, though I am purely an amateur so I don't work it as hard as some of the people hereabouts who earn their livings with Vegas. But it has been rock solid since day one - no crashes, no problems of any kind.

I'd echo the sentiments of many here - so long as you make sure that the underlying hardware is properly set up you should have no stability probems with Vegas, or any of the Sony apps.

Mark
Softy wrote on 3/3/2004, 3:36 PM
That sounds like a nice configuration.
JL wrote on 3/3/2004, 3:46 PM
Mark, Can you comment on the RME, and wrt Vegas in particular; have any complaints or praise? TIA

JL
MarkWWW wrote on 3/3/2004, 4:19 PM
Yep, works nicely for me.

In truth the FX51 is overpriced for the small performance edge it has over the lesser AMD CPUs. More cost effective would be to go for an Opteron on the SK8N, or an Athlon64 3200+ on a suitable motherboard, but hey, it was Xmas.

Mark
MarkWWW wrote on 3/3/2004, 4:47 PM
Nothing much to say really - it just works.

The combination of features was what I had decided I wanted - 8 channels of analog I/O, 8 channels of digital I/O on the ADAT and another 2 channels of digital I/O on the S/PDIF, and I'd heard good reports of it from some people in the old Cakewalk newsgroups so I chose it rather than the Layla or Delta 1010 which would have been the most obvious competitors.

The only real snag (and this doesn't affect Vegas anyway) is that it only has a single MIDI I/O. For what I do with Sonar I really need at least one more so I'm about to supplement it with another couple via a Midiman USB MIDISport 2x2.

It has a very flexible routing system that allows you to route virtually anything to anything else, though most of the time at the moment it just feeds the 5.1 outputs from Vegas or Acid to my surround amp. (Just recently I've been experimenting with doing some surround mixes of old recordings of bands I was in yonks ago, and putting them against some ancient bits of home video/stills that various band members have come up with - nowhere near enough peformance video unfortunately - as a sort of mock musical documentary.)

It works just fine with Vegas for everything I've needed it to do so far.

Mark
rkelley wrote on 3/3/2004, 7:17 PM
Just to throw my 2cents into this whole thread...

iWill DPI 533 (dual-Xeon, onboard Audio, GigE, PATA, USB 2.0 )
2x Xeon 3.06GHz CPUs (c0 stepping) 512Kb L2 cache
2x512 MB Crucial Extreme 3200 memory sticks
2x120GB Seagate IDE HDDs (PATA)
Matrox G450 dual-display monitor
NVidia GeForce2MX single-display
NEC DVD+RW ND-1100A
2xSylvania 18in Flatpanel monitors
1xEnvision 17in Flatpanel monitor
Win2K SP4 (also ran WinXP)

System runs rock-solid for 12+hrs/day. No problem. Overclock the CPUs to 3.4GHz - no problem. Runs cool (45deg average on both CPUs).

-Ron