Comments wanted:

Spot|DSE wrote on 3/25/2004, 8:40 PM
Hey gang, we're just finishing the Audio for DV DVD, and found we can afford to put another 20 mins on the DVD set without compromising bitrate. So, decided to add the 20 mins, but ask y'all what subjects YOU'D like to see in there. We'll be shipping this shortly after NAB, so comments over the next 3 days would be much appreciated. We'll wrap the vid up on Tuesday of next.
So, have at us, we'd love to hear from you!
send requests to dse(at) sundancemediagroup.com

Comments

Skevos_Mavros wrote on 3/26/2004, 5:59 AM
Sorry to be obtuse, but is there a web page or forum post that details what IS in this DVD? That way I can suggest things that aren't already in it,

Thanks,
mark2929 wrote on 3/26/2004, 6:07 AM
I assume its About Surround Sound, And If I was to want something it would be perhaps A demo project from start to finish.
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/26/2004, 6:19 AM
Nope, this is different from the Surround DVD, this is everything else for DV. Skevos, we're keeping the contents under wraps for the moment for competitive reasons, we'll announce the TOC at NAB, and ship shortly after. All the common stuff such as mic types, placement, connections, setup are in there, but we're looking for input whether you think it's covered or not. This way, we might hear from someone who has a different angle on a subject that we've covered, but covered in a different depth than the request might suggest. After all, we only *think* we know what you wanna hear about, only you can tell us for certain.
filmy wrote on 3/26/2004, 7:30 AM
As we don't really know what it is about here is my stab -

The recent thread here on Compression made me think that topic would be a great thing to cover. Perhaps demo some of the plug-ins and explain what types of compresison there is and when it should be used. More or less just use the thread as the tutorial. LOL!

If you are dealing with just location sound - one of the most overlooked discussions is location scouting with your audio person!!! If you have not covered this that you really should. When the director and producer and set designer all go out and look at the locations bring the sound person with you! I can not tell you how many productions I have either done audio for or posted where the vibe was either "We didn't think about the location being on the flight plath" or "We can fix it in post". Shooting in a hotel room? Or almost any interior - does it *really* have to be next to LAX? Shooting in this lovely field - does it really have to be this field next to the 405? And does it really have to be shot at 7 AM Monday morning?

You get the idea.

And how about sound design? Do you touch on it breifly? Recording room tone at each location? On set use of limiters? Dual system location recording - camera/DAT/Mini-Disk whatever. Re-Syncing in Vegas.



RichMacDonald wrote on 3/26/2004, 8:03 AM
Who is your audience? Is it people with a recording studio, people with all the bells and whistles in a live location, or people with a single on-board vidcam stereo mic trying to fix their summer vacation clips :-?

You know where I'm going. I'm sure there are plenty of us hobbyists who'd love to improve their audio but don't have the facilities to "do it right" in the first place. So is there a section on "How to put lipstick on that pig and make her pretty"?

Let me give you my two most common audio scenarios:

1) Some of my friends get together for fun and play in a band. We'll have a party and they'll play. I'm usually chasing my kids around, so the best I can do is setup my vidcam on a tripod and leave it running on auto. My resultant audio has good levels, but I'll need to work to bring the vocal out. I describe my usual approach here.

2) Our summer vacations are spent at a lake in Minnesota. I have a lot of footage from tooling around in a boat, standing on the shore tracking a boat on the lake, wildlife, kids playing games, whatever. In general I'm filming at a distance and I need to make some low-level audio louder while minimizing the background noise. I have a brief discussion on the issue here. Now sometimes I leave the audio track alone and sometimes I add music. I'm mixing in 5.1, so I'll generally place the original track front-center (FL, C, FR)and add the music in the rear-center (FL, FR, RL, RR).

In truth, I actually have a pretty good handle on both these situations. But my point is that I'm sure I'm not alone. There must be plenty of Vegas users who aren't pros who just want better audio. And I'm actually somewhat trained in audio; I get the impression from this forum that most people are pretty ignorant of audio basic and advanced techniques. So a tutorial on these common issues might widen your audience.

P.S. If you're interested, I'd be happy to provide some raw audio for you to work with. Might save you some time. Royalty-free :-)
mark2929 wrote on 3/26/2004, 9:28 AM
I think this must be something to do with Acoustic Mirror Perhaps! Anyway I have had some great fun with the different Mics My Nephew couldent believe it when I pulled out all of em My fav is still Vegas own mic sound though Am I Warm Or Cold.
mjroddy wrote on 3/26/2004, 9:58 AM
I hope this DVD is for the professional or semi-pro or wannabe pros.
I'd like to hear more about sweetening; compression, eq-ing and the like. How do I make my audio sound like a pro? From field acquisition to VOs sent in from a talent pool like SpeedySpots.com.
How do I layer my audio enough that it doesn't sound like a cable spot?
And, when I do my mini-movies, how do I make the audo rich enough that it's better than "not distractingly bad?"
But a step-by-step on vocal compression using Vegas and/or SF would be my current number one vote (but things change based on the project I'm currently working on).
Thanks for asking for input!
JJKizak wrote on 3/26/2004, 10:56 AM
How much do you depend on your ears verses instruments? Which
speakers are best to set up on---dead, flat, live---and what levels for the setup. Sometimes very high noise, foot scrapes, etc are there when not heard very well when creating the track.

JJK
randy-stewart wrote on 3/26/2004, 10:56 AM
How about equipment setup/hook-up info, recommendations for equipment items needed in a basic wedding or special event shoot (I know it depends but identifying what one should have for a situation goes a long way for us beginners in figuring out what we may need for other situations), and if you haven't already, recommendations for good audio clean-up plugins or better yet, a short tutorial on how to use the Sony noise reduction 2 software. Looking forward to the disks.
Randy
starixiom wrote on 3/26/2004, 10:58 AM
Another topic for consideration:

-How do I add warmth to the sound so it doesn't sound so sterile, yet is clear audiable?

I was adding some sound effects the other day to a movie that I was working on using Acid. The sound effects and added music sounded way to sterile and out of place. The viewer could determine what sounds were added in post.

-I want to learn how to combine the audio side to the video side so that the movie has some cohesion!!
mjroddy wrote on 3/26/2004, 11:47 AM
Lots of topics here that could encompase their own DVD!
So much to learn!
Spot|DSE wrote on 3/26/2004, 12:17 PM
keep em coming! So far, there have been 3 concepts identified we haven't covered, so...THANKS!