Defeating Copy Inhibit

fongaboo wrote on 8/10/2002, 10:01 AM
A while ago I had captured some long segments of a DVD in order to chop some smaller loops out of it. I was using my Sony TRV-720 Digital8 camera with my DVD player plugged into its analog S-Video input. My first attempt was to record directly to Digital8 tape, but not surprising, the camera had a copy inhibit circuit that detected the Macrovision in the analog video signal, and would not allow me to record. I looped through the camera to my computer via Firewire and was able to capture to DV-AVI's using SFvidcap. From there I was able to chop it up and export to various other codecs just fine.

My problem now is, the long segments are needlessly taking space on my hard drive.. And I wanted to back them up by printing them in sequence to a Digital8 tape. Surprisingly despite my ability to capture them in the first place, my camera somehow still realizes what their source was and is refusing to record.

I am wondering what about the DV-AVI files lets the camera know not to record. Especially since the initial transfer was analog, I would think Macrovision would be gone, because in my understanding it lives within the sync signal of an analog video signal. In my understanding of things, digital video files don't have any 'sync' per se; the D/A converter involved generates new sync when outputting back to analog.

Anyone have any suggestions for getting these files archived onto D8 tape in a way that will preserve the scene detection?

Comments

Chienworks wrote on 8/10/2002, 10:50 AM
Use the pan/crop funtion to crop out the top 4 lines of the frame. This will necessitate a rerender.
Shredder wrote on 8/10/2002, 1:34 PM
I also heard that the Dazzle Hollywood DV bridge has a dv pass-thru function that removes the copy protection. It's not an advertised feature, but I think I read in Videomaker that it works. Who knows if newer models corrected this, but you could check it out...
wazungu wrote on 8/10/2002, 3:53 PM
Why don't you just rip the dvd? DeCSS or something like that?
Shredder wrote on 8/10/2002, 4:51 PM
Look for 'SmartRipper' -- It's the easiest to use
seeker wrote on 8/10/2002, 9:07 PM
Fongaboo has a set top DVD player (like myself). In order to RIP a DVD, I believe you have to have it in your computer in a DVD-ROM or a DVD writing drive of some sort, don't you? As I understand it, you can't RIP from a set top player.
fongaboo wrote on 8/10/2002, 10:11 PM
I tried ripping first off.. but I am running FAT32 drives, and most of the ripping software I found could not access the DV codec. So I was trying to output uncompressed first, but I was hitting the 4gig limit real quick. That's when I said screw it and plugged my DVD player into my camera.

Any of the afforementioned programs make use of the DV codec for an export option?
salad wrote on 8/11/2002, 7:06 AM
Sorry about editing this. I may have discovered, that the utility I mentioned here may not be supported by SoFo. Something I just read in a readme file about possible "misuse" of SoFo's soft encode. So, just to be safe.....it's been deleted.
fongaboo wrote on 8/11/2002, 10:54 AM
OK here are some interesting findings.. I did some experiments.. Took one of the DV-AVI files that was triggering the Copy Inhibit function in my camcorder when I print to tape, and I re-rendered once with the top 4 lines missing and then again with 1% brightness applied. Both were able to print to tape no problem. But then I tried rerendering in Vegas with nothing changed. That resultant file printed to tape no problem as well! Then I tried sending it through Batch Converter without any changes applied. The resultant file from that was not able to be recorded. Isn't that weird??