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TVCmike
wrote on 2/24/2004, 8:22 PM
The markers DO appear as chapters in DVDA. You need to right click on the video you add to the menu and then select the bottom selection on that menu (can't recall right now, not in front of a system with Vegas on it). That'll create a sub-menu with chapters. In fact, if you burn a DVD that has markers, even if you don't create that menu the video will fast forward to the chapter points.
TVCmike
wrote on 2/24/2004, 8:48 PM
Don't worry about it Spot. I have a lot of respect for your abilities as an editor and educator, so I will always defer such matters to folks with your expertise. I will also clearly concede that there are times when rendering to DV first will be a better way to go simply because you may have to distribute to multiple formats or need to preserve a high quality copy as either stock footage or for future edits.
Tell you what. Since I'm a technical consultant, if you know of someone who needs technical assistance with an editing rig, or setting up CODECs, let me know. I'll give them a special Spot rate. :)
And no hard feelings. :)
Tell you what. Since I'm a technical consultant, if you know of someone who needs technical assistance with an editing rig, or setting up CODECs, let me know. I'll give them a special Spot rate. :)
And no hard feelings. :)
ZippyGaloo
wrote on 2/24/2004, 11:06 PM
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epirb
wrote on 2/25/2004, 4:47 AM
well then my Vegas and others,( see thread below )must have a glitch that some others dont have. because if I render to dv avi first, (noting that save markers is check'd of course)then open up that avi vegas , the orange marker lines appear but the names are gone. if I render that avi in vegas to mpg import into DVDA then select the "insert scene selection menu" I only get one chapter. and again you see the orange lines of the markers but the names have been lost as well as some data that it needs to see those.
I do think that if you import the avi into DVDA it will recoignize the chapter points, but then I cant tweak the encoding , such as being able to render an ac3 with customized settings.
see this thread I had ;
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=245938
I do think that if you import the avi into DVDA it will recoignize the chapter points, but then I cant tweak the encoding , such as being able to render an ac3 with customized settings.
see this thread I had ;
http://mediasoftware.sonypictures.com/forums/ShowMessage.asp?Forum=4&MessageID=245938
Spot|DSE
wrote on 2/25/2004, 6:28 AM
C'mon Zippy, get your metaphors straight. I've kissed your ass, and those of others. Again, I'm sorry. If I caused you to make any life-altering decisions in the 24 hours of this thread, I'm even more apologetic.
Better still, when someone suggests you jump off a cliff, how about you try it before actually doing it? That might save a lot of us some grief.
Again, I apologize, specifically to you, Zippy, that I'd not remembered that my workflow is mostly progressive, where this makes a big difference.
Thank you for your gracious understanding and acceptance of my error.
Better still, when someone suggests you jump off a cliff, how about you try it before actually doing it? That might save a lot of us some grief.
Again, I apologize, specifically to you, Zippy, that I'd not remembered that my workflow is mostly progressive, where this makes a big difference.
Thank you for your gracious understanding and acceptance of my error.
Jay Gladwell
wrote on 2/25/2004, 6:54 AM
Eric, in the "Render As" window, are you checking "Save project markers in media file" in the lower left-hand corner before rendering?
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roger_74
wrote on 2/25/2004, 7:10 AM
ZippYGaloo: "PUT THAT IN YOUR BOOK!"
Maybe he'll put you in the book. :-)
Maybe he'll put you in the book. :-)
Liam_Vegas
wrote on 2/25/2004, 8:53 AM
I can also relate to this issue. When you render-as (with save markers OF COURSE) to an AVI file.
Try it yourself. I know the first reaction here has been disbelief...but really... try it yourself.
Open that AVI file back into a clean Vegas project. The markers are there but the marker names(titles) are no longer displayed. They look like they are not the same type of marker that Vegas has internally as the orange lines no longer go across the timeline and you cannot edit or move them. Instead they are restricted to the track containing the AVI file you just loaded into your veg.
It SORT OF makes sense. I mean if you were to load an AVI into your project that had markers in it... I guess I would not necessarily want those markers to interfere with other markers that I have added to the timeline in the particular veg.
Anyway... the point is that when you render to AVI (with the markers) and load that into DVD-A and then get it to render to MPEG for you those markers that are in the AVI file DO NOT have the information necessary to build the chapter points. I cannot remember if the actual chapter points come across (they may do) but the point is that the chapter names DEFINITELY do not come across. So you do not get the necessary information provided in a scene selection menu.
There is a solution. The solution is not to get DVDA to do the render from AVI to MPEG2. Instead load that AVI you rendered back into the original project (or a copy of it) that has the original Vegas Timeline markers. Just "mute" all the other tracks apart from the rendered AVI track and then render to MPEG.
AT least that is how I do it.
I still prefer doing it this way anyway as In my case I do PTT and create DVD's from this same project.
Try it yourself. I know the first reaction here has been disbelief...but really... try it yourself.
Open that AVI file back into a clean Vegas project. The markers are there but the marker names(titles) are no longer displayed. They look like they are not the same type of marker that Vegas has internally as the orange lines no longer go across the timeline and you cannot edit or move them. Instead they are restricted to the track containing the AVI file you just loaded into your veg.
It SORT OF makes sense. I mean if you were to load an AVI into your project that had markers in it... I guess I would not necessarily want those markers to interfere with other markers that I have added to the timeline in the particular veg.
Anyway... the point is that when you render to AVI (with the markers) and load that into DVD-A and then get it to render to MPEG for you those markers that are in the AVI file DO NOT have the information necessary to build the chapter points. I cannot remember if the actual chapter points come across (they may do) but the point is that the chapter names DEFINITELY do not come across. So you do not get the necessary information provided in a scene selection menu.
There is a solution. The solution is not to get DVDA to do the render from AVI to MPEG2. Instead load that AVI you rendered back into the original project (or a copy of it) that has the original Vegas Timeline markers. Just "mute" all the other tracks apart from the rendered AVI track and then render to MPEG.
AT least that is how I do it.
I still prefer doing it this way anyway as In my case I do PTT and create DVD's from this same project.
ARK
wrote on 2/25/2004, 9:19 AM
Hi there. I'm surprised that nobody mentioned anything about Plug-in pac by Staish for Vegas 4.0 which I am using and works great. It's basically a frame server just like avisynth.
Hers is the site:http://www.debugmode.com/pluginpac/
It frame serve directly from Vegas to my choice of external encoder Canopus Procoder 1.5. It’ll work with TMPGN too. Unless if you are using Vegas interal encoder.
Thanks
ARK
Hers is the site:http://www.debugmode.com/pluginpac/
It frame serve directly from Vegas to my choice of external encoder Canopus Procoder 1.5. It’ll work with TMPGN too. Unless if you are using Vegas interal encoder.
Thanks
ARK
PainterPaul
wrote on 2/25/2004, 1:40 PM
When I rendered to .avi with Project Markers intended as chapter markers in the DVD, DVDA had them in there, but they were totally messed up in terms of timing! Since each Marker was to be a specific beginning point of twelve consecutive songs, all the editing had to be done over again in DVDA (much more difficult than in Vegas).
Also, regarding the FrameServer from Sartish (?), it works great if you want to use something else for the mpg encode, but want to render from the timeline.
Also, regarding the FrameServer from Sartish (?), it works great if you want to use something else for the mpg encode, but want to render from the timeline.
epirb
wrote on 2/25/2004, 3:58 PM
Jay ,
Yes I have the "Save project markers in media file" checked.
Liam and Painter Paul,
It has been my experience, that the rendered .avi when carried to DVDA ,i can create a scene sel. menu and all the chapters are there .I dont recall, if after I rendered in DVDA to mpg ,if they got discombobulated.
But what I do know, is that I then dont have as much control (basicly none) as to the audio encoding in DVDA.
Bottom line, and Spot , if you can weigh in on this,
(assuming Zippy didn't turn you to off so much that your avoiding this thread,I always take your opinion/advice with much weight and credit as well as so many others in this forum)
I like to change the dynamic range compression settings on the preprocessing tab , both line and rf profiles to "none" . Also I have been setting the dialog normalization to -31 instead of the default -27.(dont know if the latter is actually counter productive?)
I cant do that when I have DVDA render the avi to mpeg.
I'm sure alot of it is my inexpeirience with getting the sound recorded/mixed right from the start. but if i dont do the custom settings thing that I saved as a preset, my dvds sound levels seem too low.
I guess i'm just beating a dead horse though because it sounds like the final "iggy" on this whole deal is to render straight to mpeg anyway per Spots post. SO I'll just "schtick wit wad I been doing" Mpg2 arch temp. and .ac3 custom setting zabee dah I made. And all is right with the world.
P.S. personaly I am greatfull we have someone like Spot, who has the inside iggy with Sony to be able to get answers like this.Ones that could only be answered by the guys one the inside that designed/engineered the encoding process, etc...And then SPot's willingness to bring these issues to Sony spend his time and report back to us, even ZIppy you should appreciated that!
Thanks Spot.
Yes I have the "Save project markers in media file" checked.
Liam and Painter Paul,
It has been my experience, that the rendered .avi when carried to DVDA ,i can create a scene sel. menu and all the chapters are there .I dont recall, if after I rendered in DVDA to mpg ,if they got discombobulated.
But what I do know, is that I then dont have as much control (basicly none) as to the audio encoding in DVDA.
Bottom line, and Spot , if you can weigh in on this,
(assuming Zippy didn't turn you to off so much that your avoiding this thread,I always take your opinion/advice with much weight and credit as well as so many others in this forum)
I like to change the dynamic range compression settings on the preprocessing tab , both line and rf profiles to "none" . Also I have been setting the dialog normalization to -31 instead of the default -27.(dont know if the latter is actually counter productive?)
I cant do that when I have DVDA render the avi to mpeg.
I'm sure alot of it is my inexpeirience with getting the sound recorded/mixed right from the start. but if i dont do the custom settings thing that I saved as a preset, my dvds sound levels seem too low.
I guess i'm just beating a dead horse though because it sounds like the final "iggy" on this whole deal is to render straight to mpeg anyway per Spots post. SO I'll just "schtick wit wad I been doing" Mpg2 arch temp. and .ac3 custom setting zabee dah I made. And all is right with the world.
P.S. personaly I am greatfull we have someone like Spot, who has the inside iggy with Sony to be able to get answers like this.Ones that could only be answered by the guys one the inside that designed/engineered the encoding process, etc...And then SPot's willingness to bring these issues to Sony spend his time and report back to us, even ZIppy you should appreciated that!
Thanks Spot.