Double layer DVD

The Kid wrote on 5/15/2009, 6:31 AM

Ok I hope this is not to dumb a question. I have been working on a wedding video, and the couple want a copy of the whole ceremony so I say ok. Wedding ceremonies in Ukraine last a loooong time.
The file was way to big for a standerd DVD and to shrink it would have made it lose all its quality, so I burned it to a DVD+RDL. The DVD works great on the computer but when I put it in my DVD player and the TV it reads no disk. I realize that this might not work with all DVD players. My question would be I guess for those who may have done a lot of this is would this be a common problem with DVD players or is it specific players or old players etc.. Or Is there a work around with DL to make it work in inDVD Architect. Try not to laugh to hard at me ok and thanks for the help in advanced.
Daryl

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blink3times wrote on 5/15/2009, 6:46 AM

"Wedding ceremonies in Ukraine last a loooong time."

Yes, I know... I was married in Ukraine!

From my experience with DL disks... you have to go ULTRA expensive. Run of the mill cheapies will cause problems every time. Go with Tayo or Verbatim. I use Verbatim for doing HD DVD's and you're really pushing the limits of dvd with that sort of thing.... haven't had a Verbatim fail yet. You do have to watch though... more and more these outfits are starting to contract the disk manufacturing out to cheaper and cheaper companies. Verbatim and Tayo are of the few now that maintain some sort of quality control.

The Kid wrote on 5/15/2009, 7:03 AM

Cool you were married in Ukraine My wife is Ukranian as well. By the way I did use a verbatim disk I am thinking though it is my player it is at least three years old. the quality on my computer with this disk looks great

Jeff9329 wrote on 5/15/2009, 9:12 AM

You shouldn't have to, but you can bit-set the disk for greater compatability.

I used to do it but quit as I am getting fewer complaints from older DVD player owners. The Verbatim is the current best DL disk but the RiData non-stacking ring disks look and print better but the current ones are all garbage. TY knows better than to make DL discs.

I would make a 2 disc set using TY media and get the appropriate DVD box. DL is known to have a much shorter storage life. Not good for a wedding.

If you want to bit-set, check here:
http://www.k-probe.com/bitsetting-booktype-faq.php

The Kid wrote on 5/15/2009, 1:18 PM

Ok thanks I am checking it out and see what I come up with on this thanks for the replies guys

darg wrote on 5/15/2009, 3:05 PM

I figured out that the break point which you have to set in DVDA is the crutial thing on DL. In my projects it spitt our two break points during project preparation and one worked out and one not. I think DVDA is setting it to the first of the two and that seemed right, the second never worked out on three different DVD player.

The Kid wrote on 5/15/2009, 8:39 PM

Do you mean for your chapter markers???

fordie wrote on 5/16/2009, 3:59 AM

No he means the layer break point. The point where the laser has to switch from layer 0 to layer 1.
I believe that the first layer should be equal to or preferably larger than your second layer otherwise the dvd will not play properly.
IMG burn is very good at setting the layer break point once you have created your image.
It also allows you to change your dvd burner book type so that you can burn the DVD+R as a DVD rom.

The Kid wrote on 5/16/2009, 4:23 AM

Ok Got it sorry I am slow but this is the first time I have done a DL. Now I see that Architect in the set up will give you options for the break point if I set it automatically would that set it up about right ir is it better to insert yourself?? Sorry Just trying to learn. I guess I should be in the Architect fourm instead of here oh well

fordie wrote on 5/16/2009, 4:31 AM

Sorry cant help you with that one as I use IMG burn to burn images that I have made. img burn gives you several options usually rating from poor to excellent and allows you to view the video at the break point. I dont really use architect so perhaps someone else could help with that.
cheers

rstrong wrote on 5/16/2009, 9:13 AM

I used to use Verbatim, but in the last year or so I have had way too many failures. I finally gave up on DL burning.

musicvid10 wrote on 5/16/2009, 11:02 AM

Many home players will simply not handle burned DL DVDs. Even if they seem to play, many players choke at or near the break point. This is often true regardless of the bitrate, break point location, media brand, burn speed, burning software, +/-, etc., etc.

Unless you are wanting to burn a DL only for your own use, your best bet is to break it into two standard (SL) DVDs, so that the majority of players in use can play it successfully.

fordie wrote on 5/16/2009, 11:25 AM

I think for a limited issue DVD like a wedding I would be inclined to use a Dual layer dvd because its easy to sort if it wont play.
Ive done short runs of dual layer with no rejections (up to 40) but if you were doing larger batches (100's)then it could be costly to sort out problems if they occur.
If you were doing more than that it shouldnt be an issue because you should be considering getting them replicated ie a master produced and then pressed.
You could easily try a dual layer dvd on the bride and grooms player and see how they get on send them a demo disc in that format.
I personaly havent had an issue with a dual layer disc not playing (yet ! )

The Kid wrote on 5/16/2009, 12:24 PM

Ok I played it on a smaller DVD player that I take with me on the road for my work, and the DVD played just fine and good quality. It is the same brand of DVD player that I use in my home only newer. Perhaps my home DVD player is just to old. I did like the quality though