Drummer not matching with click track

pukeboy wrote on 4/23/2002, 3:03 AM
Ok, here's the deal. I've recorded my drummer on a 4-track, and plan on bringing it into Sound Forge/Vegas. The problem is that my drummer is off from the click track on most of the tracks, although he's pretty much in tempo with himself. I need to take these tracks and sync them up to this click track. Doesn't Sound Forge or Acid have a feature that let's you set a certain BPM, and Sound Forge will "snap" the peaks to this BPM? Some kind of beatmatcher?? Anybody?? And please don't say "get a new drummer". Thanks!

BTW - Sorry for cross posting from the Sound Forge forum, but this one gets a little more traffic and I'm hoping somebody can help me...

Comments

PipelineAudio wrote on 4/23/2002, 3:40 AM
If you got the time, just cut move and crossfade your way to the " perfect " track.

This is the very situation where vegas outshines (MURDERS!!!) other apps hands down.
doctorfish wrote on 4/24/2002, 8:42 PM
Pipeline is right. I've done edits like this in ProTools that
seemed (to steal from Pipeline) murderously slow in comparison
to Vegas. Acid does have a Beatmapper, but it's more for setting
one tempo for a file rather than readjusting tempo fluctuations.

It's never easy work, but it seems like you have to do this one
manually.

Or (and this is what I recommend) get the drummer to redo the track.
If you're recording on a 4-track I'm assuming you're not in a studio and
so not worrying about paying for studio time. Have him do many takes
if you can.

You could also edit out some loops and piece together a looped track.
This is very easy in Sound Forge and Acid. Then you could render the
looped track and bring it over to Vegas.

happy editing to you,

Dave


stateofgracie wrote on 4/25/2002, 6:44 PM
If your drummer is off the beat, but generally at the same tempo, you may be able to shift the entire performance onto the beat. Be careful with too much editing of the drum track, since the groove gets lost.

Why do you need to sync the drummer with the click track? Perhaps you can go the other way - sync the click with the drummer. You could do this in Vegas by recording a click sound, the cutting & pasting it to match the drum track. Do this with four clicks on the first bar, then group the four clicks, cut and paste them to the second bar, then group the eight clicks of the first two bars... you get the picture. In this way, you get a click track without messing with the feel of the original performance.

Jens
TalawaMan wrote on 4/29/2002, 2:34 AM
One suggestion, I wrote a program that allows you to click you mouse to the beat of the music and it will tell you the tempo in BPM. I wrote it because I thought it to be a pain in the ass to match a metronome to someone playing with out screwing up the tempo they are playing at. Typicaly I will have the fellows I'm recording play a few bars while I click the mouse to the beat they are playing at. TempoFinder will give a pretty good estimate of there tempo, then I set the Vegas Metronome to that tempo. I've found that it make the music I record sound less studio stale because the tempo is right at what the musicians are used to playing at. Anyway, I thought it might be good for you to use to determine the tempo your drummer is playing at.

Jacob

The program is at http://www.TempoFinder.com

One note, temporarily the TempoFinder web site is run off a computer in my bedroom and I find it difficult to sleep when it's on, so I shut it down at night. It's usualy up between 9am and 11pm PST.