DV print to tape (again)

Ike wrote on 12/14/2000, 7:35 PM

John,

The Video Capture manual contains step by step instructions
on how to print to tape on page 21 of the PDF file. You
can download the manual at this location:

http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=219

Mike

John Meyer wrote:
>>I read the other posts on how to print to tape back to my
>>DV camera, and I now understand how to do it (the manual
>>and help system do not adequately address this). My
>>question is this: Is there anyway to do this without
>>creating an AVI file that is the size of the entire
>>project? The reason I ask is that I own Studio DV, and it
>>is smart enough to only render the portions of the
project
>>that need rendering, and then simply play back from the
>>original captured AVI file for the portions of the
project
>>that are not rendered. This saves tremendous time and
disk
>>space.
>>
>>Can VideoFactory do this, and if not, why not?
>>
>>John Meyer

johnmeyer wrote on 12/15/2000, 2:19 AM

Mike,

Either you didn't fully understand my question, or I don't
fully understand your reply. My question is not about how
to use Video Capture to print to tape. Instead, my question
is whether I have to render the entire project to an AVI
file before printing to tape. In a competing product,
Pinnacle's Studio DV, if I do nothing but cuts and inserts
(i.e., no titles, disolves or fades), then there is
virtually no rendering. Even if I do add a few titles, the
program renders those to discrete AVI files. When it comes
time to print to tape, it uses its edit list to play back
from the original AVI file in the order required, and it
plays back the rendered portions from the discrete AVI
files. This approach saves a HUGE amount of time and a
TREMENDOUS amount of disk space. It really seems kind of
dumb to create and entire new AVI file when 90% or more of
the project is the identical video except for being placed
in a different order.

VideoFactory is such a smartly designed program, I assume
that it must also have this capability, and I must somehow
be missing how to tap into it. However, if neither VF nor
Vegas have this, then I would strongly suggest you add it.
This feature almost doubles the size of the project that
can be handled with any given disk size.

John
------------------

Mike W wrote:
>>John,
>>
>>The Video Capture manual contains step by step
instructions
>>on how to print to tape on page 21 of the PDF file. You
>>can download the manual at this location:
>>
>>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=219
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>I read the other posts on how to print to tape back to
my
>>>>DV camera, and I now understand how to do it (the
manual
>>>>and help system do not adequately address this). My
>>>>question is this: Is there anyway to do this without
>>>>creating an AVI file that is the size of the entire
>>>>project? The reason I ask is that I own Studio DV, and
it
>>>>is smart enough to only render the portions of the
>>project
>>>>that need rendering, and then simply play back from the
>>>>original captured AVI file for the portions of the
>>project
>>>>that are not rendered. This saves tremendous time and
>>disk
>>>>space.
>>>>
>>>>Can VideoFactory do this, and if not, why not?
>>>>
>>>>John Meyer

Ike wrote on 12/15/2000, 5:26 PM

John,

You will still need to render the file as an AVI using the
NTSC DV template (assuming you're working with NTSC video);
you cannot click Custom and make changes to this rendering
template if you want to print to tape with our Video
Capture/Print to Tape software.

As far as "smart-rendering", if you do cuts-only video
editing and have a project that has *exactly* the same
settings as the source media (size, framerate etc), then we
do not recompress. This only applies to non-temporal
compression codecs. If you do anything to the video
(compositing, fades, speed changes, motion, crop, project
differences, etc), and/or you use a temporally compressed
video format (like Cinepak, MPEG or any VBR stuff) then the
video will need to be recompressed, even if it's cuts-
only. You will still end up with one AVI file.

Mike

John Meyer wrote:
>>Mike,
>>
>>Either you didn't fully understand my question, or I
don't
>>fully understand your reply. My question is not about how
>>to use Video Capture to print to tape. Instead, my
question
>>is whether I have to render the entire project to an AVI
>>file before printing to tape. In a competing product,
>>Pinnacle's Studio DV, if I do nothing but cuts and
inserts
>>(i.e., no titles, disolves or fades), then there is
>>virtually no rendering. Even if I do add a few titles,
the
>>program renders those to discrete AVI files. When it
comes
>>time to print to tape, it uses its edit list to play back
>>from the original AVI file in the order required, and it
>>plays back the rendered portions from the discrete AVI
>>files. This approach saves a HUGE amount of time and a
>>TREMENDOUS amount of disk space. It really seems kind of
>>dumb to create and entire new AVI file when 90% or more
of
>>the project is the identical video except for being
placed
>>in a different order.
>>
>>VideoFactory is such a smartly designed program, I assume
>>that it must also have this capability, and I must
somehow
>>be missing how to tap into it. However, if neither VF nor
>>Vegas have this, then I would strongly suggest you add
it.
>>This feature almost doubles the size of the project that
>>can be handled with any given disk size.
>>
>>John
>>------------------
>>
>>Mike W wrote:
>>>>John,
>>>>
>>>>The Video Capture manual contains step by step
>>instructions
>>>>on how to print to tape on page 21 of the PDF file.
You
>>>>can download the manual at this location:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=219
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>I read the other posts on how to print to tape back
to
>>my
>>>>>>DV camera, and I now understand how to do it (the
>>manual
>>>>>>and help system do not adequately address this). My
>>>>>>question is this: Is there anyway to do this without
>>>>>>creating an AVI file that is the size of the entire
>>>>>>project? The reason I ask is that I own Studio DV,
and
>>it
>>>>>>is smart enough to only render the portions of the
>>>>project
>>>>>>that need rendering, and then simply play back from
the
>>>>>>original captured AVI file for the portions of the
>>>>project
>>>>>>that are not rendered. This saves tremendous time and
>>>>disk
>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can VideoFactory do this, and if not, why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John Meyer

deef wrote on 12/15/2000, 5:30 PM

Hi John, simply put No. You have to render to a file and
load that into Video Capture for printing to tape. A
future version may address what you're asking.

John Meyer wrote:
>>Mike,
>>
>>Either you didn't fully understand my question, or I
don't
>>fully understand your reply. My question is not about how
>>to use Video Capture to print to tape. Instead, my
question
>>is whether I have to render the entire project to an AVI
>>file before printing to tape. In a competing product,
>>Pinnacle's Studio DV, if I do nothing but cuts and
inserts
>>(i.e., no titles, disolves or fades), then there is
>>virtually no rendering. Even if I do add a few titles,
the
>>program renders those to discrete AVI files. When it
comes
>>time to print to tape, it uses its edit list to play back
>>from the original AVI file in the order required, and it
>>plays back the rendered portions from the discrete AVI
>>files. This approach saves a HUGE amount of time and a
>>TREMENDOUS amount of disk space. It really seems kind of
>>dumb to create and entire new AVI file when 90% or more
of
>>the project is the identical video except for being
placed
>>in a different order.
>>
>>VideoFactory is such a smartly designed program, I assume
>>that it must also have this capability, and I must
somehow
>>be missing how to tap into it. However, if neither VF nor
>>Vegas have this, then I would strongly suggest you add
it.
>>This feature almost doubles the size of the project that
>>can be handled with any given disk size.
>>
>>John
>>------------------
>>
>>Mike W wrote:
>>>>John,
>>>>
>>>>The Video Capture manual contains step by step
>>instructions
>>>>on how to print to tape on page 21 of the PDF file.
You
>>>>can download the manual at this location:
>>>>
>>>>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=219
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>I read the other posts on how to print to tape back
to
>>my
>>>>>>DV camera, and I now understand how to do it (the
>>manual
>>>>>>and help system do not adequately address this). My
>>>>>>question is this: Is there anyway to do this without
>>>>>>creating an AVI file that is the size of the entire
>>>>>>project? The reason I ask is that I own Studio DV,
and
>>it
>>>>>>is smart enough to only render the portions of the
>>>>project
>>>>>>that need rendering, and then simply play back from
the
>>>>>>original captured AVI file for the portions of the
>>>>project
>>>>>>that are not rendered. This saves tremendous time and
>>>>disk
>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Can VideoFactory do this, and if not, why not?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John Meyer

johnmeyer wrote on 12/15/2000, 6:32 PM

Dee,

Thanks for the unambiguous reply. I'm disappointed, but I
assume everyone there understands the tremendous benefit of
adding the feature I describe and it will therefore be
added in a future release. This is a real meat and potatoes
feature, not some frill.

John Meyer
=================

dee wrote:
>>Hi John, simply put No. You have to render to a file and
>>load that into Video Capture for printing to tape. A
>>future version may address what you're asking.
>>
>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>Mike,
>>>>
>>>>Either you didn't fully understand my question, or I
>>don't
>>>>fully understand your reply. My question is not about
how
>>>>to use Video Capture to print to tape. Instead, my
>>question
>>>>is whether I have to render the entire project to an
AVI
>>>>file before printing to tape. In a competing product,
>>>>Pinnacle's Studio DV, if I do nothing but cuts and
>>inserts
>>>>(i.e., no titles, disolves or fades), then there is
>>>>virtually no rendering. Even if I do add a few titles,
>>the
>>>>program renders those to discrete AVI files. When it
>>comes
>>>>time to print to tape, it uses its edit list to play
back
>>>>from the original AVI file in the order required, and
it
>>>>plays back the rendered portions from the discrete AVI
>>>>files. This approach saves a HUGE amount of time and a
>>>>TREMENDOUS amount of disk space. It really seems kind
of
>>>>dumb to create and entire new AVI file when 90% or more
>>of
>>>>the project is the identical video except for being
>>placed
>>>>in a different order.
>>>>
>>>>VideoFactory is such a smartly designed program, I
assume
>>>>that it must also have this capability, and I must
>>somehow
>>>>be missing how to tap into it. However, if neither VF
nor
>>>>Vegas have this, then I would strongly suggest you add
>>it.
>>>>This feature almost doubles the size of the project
that
>>>>can be handled with any given disk size.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>------------------
>>>>
>>>>Mike W wrote:
>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Video Capture manual contains step by step
>>>>instructions
>>>>>>on how to print to tape on page 21 of the PDF file.
>>You
>>>>>>can download the manual at this location:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=219
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>>>I read the other posts on how to print to tape back
>>to
>>>>my
>>>>>>>>DV camera, and I now understand how to do it (the
>>>>manual
>>>>>>>>and help system do not adequately address this). My
>>>>>>>>question is this: Is there anyway to do this
without
>>>>>>>>creating an AVI file that is the size of the entire
>>>>>>>>project? The reason I ask is that I own Studio DV,
>>and
>>>>it
>>>>>>>>is smart enough to only render the portions of the
>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>that need rendering, and then simply play back from
>>the
>>>>>>>>original captured AVI file for the portions of the
>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>that are not rendered. This saves tremendous time
and
>>>>>>disk
>>>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can VideoFactory do this, and if not, why not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John Meyer

johnmeyer wrote on 12/17/2000, 7:02 PM

Mike,

Does this mean that if I have portions that need to be
rendered, will the portions that are simple cuts, with no
transitions, FX, etc. not be uncompressed and recompressed?

John
==============
Mike W wrote:
>>John,
>>
>>You will still need to render the file as an AVI using
the
>>NTSC DV template (assuming you're working with NTSC
video);
>>you cannot click Custom and make changes to this
rendering
>>template if you want to print to tape with our Video
>>Capture/Print to Tape software.
>>
>>As far as "smart-rendering", if you do cuts-only video
>>editing and have a project that has *exactly* the same
>>settings as the source media (size, framerate etc), then
we
>>do not recompress. This only applies to non-temporal
>>compression codecs. If you do anything to the video
>>(compositing, fades, speed changes, motion, crop, project
>>differences, etc), and/or you use a temporally compressed
>>video format (like Cinepak, MPEG or any VBR stuff) then
the
>>video will need to be recompressed, even if it's cuts-
>>only. You will still end up with one AVI file.
>>
>>Mike
>>
>>
>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>Mike,
>>>>
>>>>Either you didn't fully understand my question, or I
>>don't
>>>>fully understand your reply. My question is not about
how
>>>>to use Video Capture to print to tape. Instead, my
>>question
>>>>is whether I have to render the entire project to an
AVI
>>>>file before printing to tape. In a competing product,
>>>>Pinnacle's Studio DV, if I do nothing but cuts and
>>inserts
>>>>(i.e., no titles, disolves or fades), then there is
>>>>virtually no rendering. Even if I do add a few titles,
>>the
>>>>program renders those to discrete AVI files. When it
>>comes
>>>>time to print to tape, it uses its edit list to play
back
>>>>from the original AVI file in the order required, and
it
>>>>plays back the rendered portions from the discrete AVI
>>>>files. This approach saves a HUGE amount of time and a
>>>>TREMENDOUS amount of disk space. It really seems kind
of
>>>>dumb to create and entire new AVI file when 90% or more
>>of
>>>>the project is the identical video except for being
>>placed
>>>>in a different order.
>>>>
>>>>VideoFactory is such a smartly designed program, I
assume
>>>>that it must also have this capability, and I must
>>somehow
>>>>be missing how to tap into it. However, if neither VF
nor
>>>>Vegas have this, then I would strongly suggest you add
>>it.
>>>>This feature almost doubles the size of the project
that
>>>>can be handled with any given disk size.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>------------------
>>>>
>>>>Mike W wrote:
>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>The Video Capture manual contains step by step
>>>>instructions
>>>>>>on how to print to tape on page 21 of the PDF file.
>>You
>>>>>>can download the manual at this location:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?DID=219
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>>>I read the other posts on how to print to tape back
>>to
>>>>my
>>>>>>>>DV camera, and I now understand how to do it (the
>>>>manual
>>>>>>>>and help system do not adequately address this). My
>>>>>>>>question is this: Is there anyway to do this
without
>>>>>>>>creating an AVI file that is the size of the entire
>>>>>>>>project? The reason I ask is that I own Studio DV,
>>and
>>>>it
>>>>>>>>is smart enough to only render the portions of the
>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>that need rendering, and then simply play back from
>>the
>>>>>>>>original captured AVI file for the portions of the
>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>that are not rendered. This saves tremendous time
and
>>>>>>disk
>>>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Can VideoFactory do this, and if not, why not?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John Meyer

deef wrote on 12/19/2000, 5:45 PM

Yes, I believe that's correct.

John Meyer wrote:
>>
>>Mike,
>>
>>Does this mean that if I have portions that need to be
>>rendered, will the portions that are simple cuts, with no
>>transitions, FX, etc. not be uncompressed and
recompressed?
>>
>>John
>>==============
>>Mike W wrote:
>>>>John,
>>>>
>>>>You will still need to render the file as an AVI using
>>the
>>>>NTSC DV template (assuming you're working with NTSC
>>video);
>>>>you cannot click Custom and make changes to this
>>rendering
>>>>template if you want to print to tape with our Video
>>>>Capture/Print to Tape software.
>>>>
>>>>As far as "smart-rendering", if you do cuts-only video
>>>>editing and have a project that has *exactly* the same
>>>>settings as the source media (size, framerate etc),
then
>>we
>>>>do not recompress. This only applies to non-temporal
>>>>compression codecs. If you do anything to the video
>>>>(compositing, fades, speed changes, motion, crop,
project
>>>>differences, etc), and/or you use a temporally
compressed
>>>>video format (like Cinepak, MPEG or any VBR stuff) then
>>the
>>>>video will need to be recompressed, even if it's cuts-
>>>>only. You will still end up with one AVI file.
>>>>
>>>>Mike
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Either you didn't fully understand my question, or I
>>>>don't
>>>>>>fully understand your reply. My question is not about
>>how
>>>>>>to use Video Capture to print to tape. Instead, my
>>>>question
>>>>>>is whether I have to render the entire project to an
>>AVI
>>>>>>file before printing to tape. In a competing product,
>>>>>>Pinnacle's Studio DV, if I do nothing but cuts and
>>>>inserts
>>>>>>(i.e., no titles, disolves or fades), then there is
>>>>>>virtually no rendering. Even if I do add a few
titles,
>>>>the
>>>>>>program renders those to discrete AVI files. When it
>>>>comes
>>>>>>time to print to tape, it uses its edit list to play
>>back
>>>>>>from the original AVI file in the order required, and
>>it
>>>>>>plays back the rendered portions from the discrete
AVI
>>>>>>files. This approach saves a HUGE amount of time and
a
>>>>>>TREMENDOUS amount of disk space. It really seems kind
>>of
>>>>>>dumb to create and entire new AVI file when 90% or
more
>>>>of
>>>>>>the project is the identical video except for being
>>>>placed
>>>>>>in a different order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>VideoFactory is such a smartly designed program, I
>>assume
>>>>>>that it must also have this capability, and I must
>>>>somehow
>>>>>>be missing how to tap into it. However, if neither VF
>>nor
>>>>>>Vegas have this, then I would strongly suggest you
add
>>>>it.
>>>>>>This feature almost doubles the size of the project
>>that
>>>>>>can be handled with any given disk size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike W wrote:
>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Video Capture manual contains step by step
>>>>>>instructions
>>>>>>>>on how to print to tape on page 21 of the PDF
file.
>>>>You
>>>>>>>>can download the manual at this location:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?
DID=219
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I read the other posts on how to print to tape
back
>>>>to
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>DV camera, and I now understand how to do it (the
>>>>>>manual
>>>>>>>>>>and help system do not adequately address this).
My
>>>>>>>>>>question is this: Is there anyway to do this
>>without
>>>>>>>>>>creating an AVI file that is the size of the
entire
>>>>>>>>>>project? The reason I ask is that I own Studio
DV,
>>>>and
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>is smart enough to only render the portions of
the
>>>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>>>that need rendering, and then simply play back
from
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>original captured AVI file for the portions of
the
>>>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>>>that are not rendered. This saves tremendous time
>>and
>>>>>>>>disk
>>>>>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can VideoFactory do this, and if not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John Meyer

deef wrote on 12/19/2000, 5:49 PM

Also, if the problem is Win98SE's 4 GB limit you should be
able to split up the file into less than 4 GB chunks and
and then separately print them to tape making sure that
you've setup you're "Engage delay" properly on the "Other"
tab in the Preferences. The default 233 ms delay should
work for most Sony cameras, if you're using something else
you may have to do a test print and then see if you're
dropping frames or you've got duplicate frames printing to
the tape. If you do it this way, make sure after each
print to go to the 1st frame on the tape so when you print
it doesn't overwrite what's already been printed.

John Meyer wrote:
>>Dee,
>>
>>Thanks for the unambiguous reply. I'm disappointed, but I
>>assume everyone there understands the tremendous benefit
of
>>adding the feature I describe and it will therefore be
>>added in a future release. This is a real meat and
potatoes
>>feature, not some frill.
>>
>>John Meyer
>>=================
>>
>>dee wrote:
>>>>Hi John, simply put No. You have to render to a file
and
>>>>load that into Video Capture for printing to tape. A
>>>>future version may address what you're asking.
>>>>
>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Either you didn't fully understand my question, or I
>>>>don't
>>>>>>fully understand your reply. My question is not about
>>how
>>>>>>to use Video Capture to print to tape. Instead, my
>>>>question
>>>>>>is whether I have to render the entire project to an
>>AVI
>>>>>>file before printing to tape. In a competing product,
>>>>>>Pinnacle's Studio DV, if I do nothing but cuts and
>>>>inserts
>>>>>>(i.e., no titles, disolves or fades), then there is
>>>>>>virtually no rendering. Even if I do add a few
titles,
>>>>the
>>>>>>program renders those to discrete AVI files. When it
>>>>comes
>>>>>>time to print to tape, it uses its edit list to play
>>back
>>>>>>from the original AVI file in the order required, and
>>it
>>>>>>plays back the rendered portions from the discrete
AVI
>>>>>>files. This approach saves a HUGE amount of time and
a
>>>>>>TREMENDOUS amount of disk space. It really seems kind
>>of
>>>>>>dumb to create and entire new AVI file when 90% or
more
>>>>of
>>>>>>the project is the identical video except for being
>>>>placed
>>>>>>in a different order.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>VideoFactory is such a smartly designed program, I
>>assume
>>>>>>that it must also have this capability, and I must
>>>>somehow
>>>>>>be missing how to tap into it. However, if neither VF
>>nor
>>>>>>Vegas have this, then I would strongly suggest you
add
>>>>it.
>>>>>>This feature almost doubles the size of the project
>>that
>>>>>>can be handled with any given disk size.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Mike W wrote:
>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The Video Capture manual contains step by step
>>>>>>instructions
>>>>>>>>on how to print to tape on page 21 of the PDF
file.
>>>>You
>>>>>>>>can download the manual at this location:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?
DID=219
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>I read the other posts on how to print to tape
back
>>>>to
>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>DV camera, and I now understand how to do it (the
>>>>>>manual
>>>>>>>>>>and help system do not adequately address this).
My
>>>>>>>>>>question is this: Is there anyway to do this
>>without
>>>>>>>>>>creating an AVI file that is the size of the
entire
>>>>>>>>>>project? The reason I ask is that I own Studio
DV,
>>>>and
>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>is smart enough to only render the portions of
the
>>>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>>>that need rendering, and then simply play back
from
>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>original captured AVI file for the portions of
the
>>>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>>>that are not rendered. This saves tremendous time
>>and
>>>>>>>>disk
>>>>>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Can VideoFactory do this, and if not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John Meyer

snovis wrote on 12/27/2000, 9:55 AM

Dee,
thanks for the information.
I would like to add to John's comment that you support in
the future the ability to play back projects that are
longer than 15min (i.e. 4GB). Currently the other work
around is I export my project in pieces then stitch them
together with StudioDV - a waste of time and money.
VF is an outstanding product. Please find the engineer who
is steadfastly defending his (or her) decision to maintain
a single AVI render file and counsle them soundly about the
head and shoulders. If Pinnacle, and Adobe can manage this
I have no doubt you people can do it 10 times better.

Thanks,
Scott

dee wrote:
>>Also, if the problem is Win98SE's 4 GB limit you should
be
>>able to split up the file into less than 4 GB chunks and
>>and then separately print them to tape making sure that
>>you've setup you're "Engage delay" properly on
the "Other"
>>tab in the Preferences. The default 233 ms delay should
>>work for most Sony cameras, if you're using something
else
>>you may have to do a test print and then see if you're
>>dropping frames or you've got duplicate frames printing
to
>>the tape. If you do it this way, make sure after each
>>print to go to the 1st frame on the tape so when you
print
>>it doesn't overwrite what's already been printed.
>>
>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>Dee,
>>>>
>>>>Thanks for the unambiguous reply. I'm disappointed, but
I
>>>>assume everyone there understands the tremendous
benefit
>>of
>>>>adding the feature I describe and it will therefore be
>>>>added in a future release. This is a real meat and
>>potatoes
>>>>feature, not some frill.
>>>>
>>>>John Meyer
>>>>=================
>>>>
>>>>dee wrote:
>>>>>>Hi John, simply put No. You have to render to a file
>>and
>>>>>>load that into Video Capture for printing to tape. A
>>>>>>future version may address what you're asking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>>>Mike,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Either you didn't fully understand my question, or
I
>>>>>>don't
>>>>>>>>fully understand your reply. My question is not
about
>>>>how
>>>>>>>>to use Video Capture to print to tape. Instead, my
>>>>>>question
>>>>>>>>is whether I have to render the entire project to
an
>>>>AVI
>>>>>>>>file before printing to tape. In a competing
product,
>>>>>>>>Pinnacle's Studio DV, if I do nothing but cuts and
>>>>>>inserts
>>>>>>>>(i.e., no titles, disolves or fades), then there is
>>>>>>>>virtually no rendering. Even if I do add a few
>>titles,
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>program renders those to discrete AVI files. When
it
>>>>>>comes
>>>>>>>>time to print to tape, it uses its edit list to
play
>>>>back
>>>>>>>>from the original AVI file in the order required,
and
>>>>it
>>>>>>>>plays back the rendered portions from the discrete
>>AVI
>>>>>>>>files. This approach saves a HUGE amount of time
and
>>a
>>>>>>>>TREMENDOUS amount of disk space. It really seems
kind
>>>>of
>>>>>>>>dumb to create and entire new AVI file when 90% or
>>more
>>>>>>of
>>>>>>>>the project is the identical video except for being
>>>>>>placed
>>>>>>>>in a different order.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>VideoFactory is such a smartly designed program, I
>>>>assume
>>>>>>>>that it must also have this capability, and I must
>>>>>>somehow
>>>>>>>>be missing how to tap into it. However, if neither
VF
>>>>nor
>>>>>>>>Vegas have this, then I would strongly suggest you
>>add
>>>>>>it.
>>>>>>>>This feature almost doubles the size of the project
>>>>that
>>>>>>>>can be handled with any given disk size.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>------------------
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Mike W wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>John,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The Video Capture manual contains step by step
>>>>>>>>instructions
>>>>>>>>>>on how to print to tape on page 21 of the PDF
>>file.
>>>>>>You
>>>>>>>>>>can download the manual at this location:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.sonicfoundry.com/download/step2.asp?
>>DID=219
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Mike
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John Meyer wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>I read the other posts on how to print to tape
>>back
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>my
>>>>>>>>>>>>DV camera, and I now understand how to do it
(the
>>>>>>>>manual
>>>>>>>>>>>>and help system do not adequately address
this).
>>My
>>>>>>>>>>>>question is this: Is there anyway to do this
>>>>without
>>>>>>>>>>>>creating an AVI file that is the size of the
>>entire
>>>>>>>>>>>>project? The reason I ask is that I own Studio
>>DV,
>>>>>>and
>>>>>>>>it
>>>>>>>>>>>>is smart enough to only render the portions of
>>the
>>>>>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>>>>>that need rendering, and then simply play back
>>from
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>original captured AVI file for the portions of
>>the
>>>>>>>>>>project
>>>>>>>>>>>>that are not rendered. This saves tremendous
time
>>>>and
>>>>>>>>>>disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>space.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Can VideoFactory do this, and if not, why not?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>John Meyer