Dvd poor quality when played on TV

stilltrying wrote on 4/6/2005, 9:44 PM

I am a new user to Vegas Movie Studio & DVD. I have just completed a project - worked beautifully & all previews are great, but when I burned the DVD & played it on the DVD player it was very por quality. The quality is good when it is a still picture, or the video is still on a subject, BUT as soon as the camera pans around or moves to another subject, there is so much "jitter & sort of blurring" that you can't watch it. ( I am mindful of not moving the camera quickly, so it is not that.) I am using good quality DVD-R discs.

Following is a history of what I have done since the first poor quality disc to try & elimate any problems:

Disc 2: I deleted all the rendered files etc & went back to Movie Maker & checked that the project properties were PAL (they were) & rendered the project again & when in Arcitect made sure it was set on PAL & changed the bit rate to 6 in Optimize (I thought a slower rate might help). I then used a burn speed of 1x. Result was the exactly the same as the first time.....poor!

Disc 3: I then thought the problem might be the DVD player( a new JVC) or disc, so I used the ULEAD VideoStudio 8 editing program I had been using before I bought the Vegas one, & the same brand DVD. I put a video file, a few still photos & a music file on it ( same original files I had used with Vegas, but I didn't edit it properly). I rendered it & burnt a DVD. The QUALITY OF THE VIDEO ON THIS DVD IS PERFECT., so that rules out a problem with the DVD player or the disc. The only thing I did differently with this one was the music file, as the original project had a MPEG4 audio file & Ulead wouldn't accept it, so I used a .wav one instead.

Disc 4: I then thought that maybe it was the music file that was the problem, so I went back to the Vegas Movie maker & deleted the music & replaced it with the same .wav audio files I had used in Ulead. I rendered it again & went to Arcitect etc & made another DVD. I left the bit rate in Otimize at the default 8. The quality is exactly the same as Disc 1....jittery & unwatchable

Disc 5: The only other thing I could think of was that the Ulead program used a burn speed of 4x ( you couldn't alter that), so i tried another disc using Vegas with a burn speed of 2x ( it only gave me the option of 1x or 2x). This was even worse & even the audio at the end of the disc was distorted. Maybe all the rendering has now stuffed it up.

There is a HUGE difference in the video quality between the DVD produced using Vegas & the disc produced using Ulead 8. I just don't know what to do next. Hope someone can help??????

Comments

Kanst wrote on 4/7/2005, 2:28 AM

What about time size of your movie?
If you encoded more then one hour video, you can't get a fine quality with DVDArc CBR encoding.

stilltrying wrote on 4/7/2005, 5:51 AM

The video is 41 minutes long. The problem is in the part of the video where the camera is panning around the room that the picture is very jittery & hard to watch -even though the camera was moved slowly when filming. The still pictures are fine & the colour & resolution is good. The "jittery" parts are fine when used in Ulead VideoStudio8 & in all the previews.

ScottW wrote on 4/7/2005, 6:40 AM

You might get better help on the Movie Studio forum, but I'll give it a try based on some of the things I've read on that forum.

Are you feeding DVDAS mpg files or DV AVI? if you are feeding it MPG then changing the optimize settings isn't likely going to do anything since it's unlikely that DVDAS would need to recompress your MPG.

As I understand it, the MPG quality settings when rendering from VMS aren't the best, so try rendering to DV from VMS, feed the DV AVI file into DVDAS and then use the optimize setting at 8 in DVDAS.

--Scott

mwkurt wrote on 4/7/2005, 6:59 AM

Hello,

You don't say what the source video is. Is it from a camcorder? How do you capture it to your computer? The one thing that came to my mind when you mentioned the problem you are having is the field order. Are you capturing in the correct field order?
Mark

johnmeyer wrote on 4/7/2005, 8:58 AM

Make sure the average bitrate is above 6,000,000 bps, and that the MPEG quality is set to maximum.

stilltrying wrote on 4/7/2005, 2:35 PM

I have a Panasonic MiniDV NV-DV99 Camcorder. I have been unable to capture in Vegas MS as I can't get it to find my camera (have it connected from the i-link on camera to computer using a PCI Firewire & 1394 controller card). I foundI could capture using my old Canopus EZDV editing program & firewire connected to the Canopus card, & then I was able to load the .avi files into Vegas, so I am editing .avi files & Vegus is producing a VF file(don't know what that means or where you chose the output file it produces when it renders your project). Hope that makes sense...I am learning quickly!!

stilltrying wrote on 4/7/2005, 2:38 PM

I'm not sure what you mean by 'field order'? I am using seamless capture in Canopus EZDV & then loading the .avi files into Vegas MS.

stilltrying wrote on 4/7/2005, 2:40 PM

Do you mean not to render project in the "make movie" part of MS, but to open Architect & load the project files straight into there????

stilltrying wrote on 4/8/2005, 12:20 AM

I am new to editing & don't understand the diferent formats & what they mean. I have used ULEAD VideoStudio8 a little & made a few DVDs.....they all worked & were great quality, but I found the program limiting , which is why i bought the Vegas product. I made the project in Movie Studio4, then clicked on 'Make Movie' & chose 'Burn DVD'. The project then rendered & took me to MSArchitect which seemed to automatically load the files. I chose 'Prepare & then Burn. I checked that the properties were set to PAL, as I live in Australia.
I have just looked at the video & audio files in Architect & this is what it says:-
Video:
File type: MainConcept MPEG-2
Video 720x576x32 25,000fps Stream 1
Length: 00:41:02:11
Audio
File Type: wave(Microsoft) Stream 1
Audio 48,000Hz 16 bit, Stereo
Maybe I should have rendered the project to a different format & then imported it into MSArchitect2?????
Sorry for all the silly questions!! I just want to edit all the family video files we have & put them on DVD's, so they can be enjoyed.

mwkurt wrote on 4/8/2005, 3:48 AM

DV files come in two field orders. Top Field First or Bottom Field First. Over here in NTSC land, DV files are almost always Bottom Field First. You may want to check what the norm is where you are. Make sure that you set the correct field order and keep it throughout your project. If you set the wrong field order somewhere, you will experience jitter in your final product.
Mark

stilltrying wrote on 4/8/2005, 6:17 AM

Thanks Mark. You might have the answer. I wasn't sure which PAL format to choose for the Movie Studio project & chose PAL Standard, which I see has Upper field first. I looked at the PAL DV template & it has Lower field first, & I think .avi files also have Lower field first, so I will try again & use the PAL DV format & maybe save to the hard drive first as a Video for Windows .avi file.

stilltrying wrote on 4/8/2005, 8:03 PM

Thankyou Mark, that was the problem. As I haven't been able to capture in Movie Stuio because it won't recognise my camera, i found I could capture in an old Canopus EZDV program & import the files. I checked the properties of these files & they are Uper Field first & the PAL template is Lower Field First, so hence the conflict.
I changed the original capture files to Lower Field first & have just burned a perfect DVD.

Stil have the camera capture problem, but at least should be able to work around it. Many thanks again

mwkurt wrote on 4/9/2005, 5:34 AM

Glad I could help.
Take care,
Mark