Equipment for VhS capture?

m1kego wrote on 1/25/2004, 11:36 AM
Novice,please reply in basic terms!! I have MS3 on my domputer w/Pen3 processor(996MHz), 384MB RAM, 37GB harddrive w/28GB free space. I run XP home ed. w/Ser. pac 1 & am burning w/Plextor Px708A drive. Also have 1.1USB,2.0USB, & firewire plugs. My older Canon UC20 analog camera & VCRs have only RCA plugs. I tried capturing using a Belkin USB Vidiobus II but it drops about as many frames as it captures.What is my best long term option to capture this analog vidio, and be able to edit in MS3 ? Should I get a vidio capture board or upgrade to a digital camcorder to make the transition? Please give your opinions as to specifics on what to use. If the camera is a good option, it makes sence to use money toward that rather than spend on other devices and still not have an updated camcorder. I just want simple & reliable. Don't we all. Thanks much.

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mmreed wrote on 1/25/2004, 1:51 PM
I use a product from Canopus (www.canopus.com) called the AVDC1394 card. It has analog RCA inputs. Canopus makes a few other units that will handle analog as well. I chose canopus because they seem to be very stable, have excellent support forum, and are reasonably priced.

Word of caution: STAY AWAY from Pinnacle/Dazzle products. They often crash, and support is poor.
ADinelt wrote on 1/25/2004, 7:09 PM
I have a PIII 650 with 384 meg RAM running WIN 98SE, 30 gig main drive, 60 meg drive dedicated for video only and a Sony DVD burner.

Back in October of 2003, I purchased the Pinnacle DC10plus analog capture card from Best Buy. It cost around $150.00 Canadian, but that also came with Studio 8 software. (If you are not familiar with Studio 8 software, read some of the other posts here and stay away from it.) You may be able to pick up just the card itself at a much lower price. You just plug the card into an empty PCI slot in your computer. The DC10plus captures video only and the sound is captured through your sound card. I have heard that the DC10plus driver has had problems running on anything after WIN 98SE. I use WIN 98SE and have not had problems with the card, although I have encountered some problems with the driver every now and then.

I have read other posts of people who have video cards that have RCA video inputs (e.g. ATI) and can also be used for capturing. Not sure what these would cost though.

If you are looking long term and can afford the money, I would think that upgrading to a digital camera that will allow you to pass analog through it would be the better way to go. Again, I am not sure what that would cost.

Just out of curiosity, has anyone had any experience with say Sony Digital 8 versus Mini DV versus the newer DVD camcorders? In Canada, the Mini DV discs are around $40.00 each.

Hope this helps.

Good day eh...
Al

JohnnyRoy wrote on 1/25/2004, 7:09 PM
To get a good analog capture device you’ll want to stick with solid products like the Canopus ADVC-100 ($299), AVDC-1394 ($249), or ADVC-50 ($199). What you need to do is decide if that $200-$300 would be better spent toward a miniDV camcorder (which will also allow you to capture your analog tapes via passthru to firewire anyway!).

Only you can make that call, but if it were me, I’d put that money toward a miniDV camcorder.

Whatever you do, stay away from USB capture devices because they just won’t give you good quality and very often have audio sync problems. I would personally never buy another Pinnacle product again either.

~jr
starfish98034 wrote on 1/25/2004, 11:20 PM
I recently went through this same question myself (capture card vs new cam) I elected to buy the new cam. Can do the capture of my old analog and have a new mini DV cam for only a bit more money. There are DV cams that you can buy for $300 or less if you shop. I bought the very nice and well rated Canon Optura 20 for $520 after agressive shopping. I am happy that I made the choice I did. Gave the old cam to my sons.

I have found this capture/edit/burn DVD prossess very time consuming even with a fairly fast new computer. 2.6Gh with 768mb RAM. I let the computer do many of the long jobs, capture, render, burn while I am sleeping. Have plenty of disk space before you start. I have a 20GB and a 60GB drive and that is none too much if you want to save any avi files on disk to locate them in a specific project. If you have lots of old video make a good plan as to what you are going to put with what in your end projects as it takes lots of time if you want to redue what you have already done.
Steve Grisetti wrote on 1/26/2004, 7:47 AM

MiniDV and Digital 8 produce the very same quality of AVIs. In fact, both formats record the same data -- the only difference (advantage?) is that Digital 8 works on any 8 mm tapes (capture an hour on a 2 hour videotape) and many Digital 8 Sonys will also play regular 8 mm tapes, which saves me lots of effort when capturing my old, pre-digital video.

As for the DVD camcorders, they really seem to be a liability for us digital editors. The format the data is saved in does not easily input to your computer for editing.

MicroDV also has some liabilities in this category, although I've had no personal experience with it.

MiniDV and Digital 8 are both great consumer formats, and you can't go wrong with either.
ADinelt wrote on 1/26/2004, 9:37 AM
Thanks for the info on MiniDV vs. Digital 8. Sony Digial 8 camcorders have come down considerably in price here in Canada (well London, Ontario anyway). And with the cost of the tapes vs. MiniDV discs, I will most likely go Digital 8 for my next upgrade. I am still using my old Kyocera 8mm camcorder which is around 13+ years old now and it is starting to give up the ghost.

Al
Steve Grisetti wrote on 1/26/2004, 10:52 AM
I like Digital 8 a lot. The only disadvantage is that only a few camcorders can replay it, so it's not quite as universal as MiniDV.

When you buy your Digital 8, make sure it can also play regular 8mm. (A few of the cheaper models do not.) Since you've got a library of old 8mm tapes and your old cam is about to go, it's nice to be able to play your tapes on your new one.

Also, should you want to edit your old tapes, your Digital 8 cam can easily "digitize" even regular 8 mm tapes through your firewire -- a real advantage!
m1kego wrote on 1/26/2004, 3:21 PM
I want to thank yall (yep, Alabamian) for all the prompt input in answering my questions concerning hardware for capturing analog vidio. Thanks to yall I decided to go to D8 format camcorder. On your advice & lots of homework I was close to ordering the Sony TRV350 until I went to the Sony site. I learned , after talking with a Sony sales rep, that the TRV 350 has been discontinued and basicly replaced by the TRV460. He claims that they are basicly the same camera except for minor additions to features. The 460 cost me $399 + tax from Sony where the best price on the 350 was $448 total.The TRV460 is not out to dealers yet so I preordered and should have it mid Feb. All I need now is a firewire cable & TIME. Thanks for the help & I'll post the outcome of how this camera works out.