@lan-mLMC It's not some.

Multi-timeline and bezier keyframe graph are indeed pro features.

And Vegas Pro is indeed more popular than Video Pro X but it doesn't mean Vegas Pro is more professional than Video Pro X.

Vegas Pro's position is a intuitional NLE for all kinds of people, whether you are domestic users or industrial users. So Vegas Pro is not only focused on professional users.

In this way, Video Pro X may be more pro than Vegas Pro, because Video Pro X is focused on professional users.

"Video Pro X may be more pro than Vegas Pro", How? in what way?

"Video Pro X is focused on professional users", How? in what way?

Multi-timeline and bezier keyframe graph are indeed pro features.

And Vegas Pro is indeed more popular than Video Pro X but it doesn't mean Vegas Pro is more professional than Video Pro X.

Vegas Pro's position is a intuitional NLE for all kinds of people, whether you are domestic users or industrial users. So Vegas Pro is not only focused on professional users.

In this way, Video Pro X may be more pro than Vegas Pro, because Video Pro X is focused on professional users.

I have always thought Vegas Pro is more professional than Video Pro X. Turns out it's not?

As a rule, a software is truly professional only if it is harder to use than the majority of others!

:) :) :)

"Video Pro X may be more pro than Vegas Pro", How? in what way?

"Video Pro X is focused on professional users", How? in what way?

@FayFen 

I have spent some time to look into Video Pro X.

It seems that Video Pro X has more improved :

real multi-timeline;

real bezier keyframe graph;

interated 3D titler, 3D model editor;

better stability (Vegas is almost the most crashable-known NLE);

more integrated modern templates;

more intuitive interation in preview window (unlike Vegas' pan/crop and track motion),

more fluent playback INFUSION Engine 2;

.........

It's not confusing at all that Magix has competing products (sarcasm). They've basically become Corel. At this rate, they'll end up the same way.

I tried Magix Movie Edit Pro a few years ago. It's just something I couldn't get used to after so many years of editing where the overlay was just that, something that was placed over the video, not under it.

It has some great features. I even looked at "X"... it's certainly competitive. And with the upgrade price for me, not too expensive.

They've basically become Corel. At this rate, they'll end up the same way.

Please explain further. Corel's PaintShop Pro is an excellent and affordable alternative to the super expensive competitor that some call 'ransom-ware' of Adobe's PhotoShop.

To be fair, I did start off with ULead VideoStudio which is now a Corel product - but Vegas Pro is overall a far superior product even if MAGIX as a pre-existing product that could be construed as competing with VP. In the end, if a user prefers one NLE over another - even if that other product is in the same stable - then there is nothing wrong with that.

VEGAS Pro lacking so many things. Even simple VFX like time trails, or Luma Keying, Posterize time can't be done with VEGAS Pro internally. You will need boris plugins. Even the copy & paste events without replacing the existing chain in media that been requested for many2 years till today we dont see any update/upgrade on that. Waiting so long till some user end up created an extension for VP https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/selectively-paste-effects--121634/

Without getting back to a stupid situation, as you know my take on the Vegas development issue, I have to say it feels Vegas is a "second" product, even though it is not, of course.

I mean, it feels there are:

1. many bugs/lacks that are a problem and they were not yet dealt with, although some are years old,

2. half-baked features that are great in concept but too shaky and unstable,

3. slow implementation of improvements and few fixes that often fix one thing and break... another one :)

4. indecisive updates on GUI

and because of these, I think many people feel kinda frustrated and unsatisfied...

Yes, when there was a significant problem with VEGAS after Sony gave up on it, of course we were (very) happy to at least know the team will continue the development after all! And we are grateful. But now, years later, having a stable team now and increased work/brain force, I'd expect VEGAS to not drop too much behind the crowd.

And I have to say, I am hopeful and have great expectations for version 18!

I hope a lot of v17 problems will be ironed-out and there will be significant changes in appearance and functionality. I trust the team have learnt a lot of what they need to do next and I am looking forward for a great release in due times. I hope as usual, sometime in August if not before!

As for MVP, I tried it, but I have to say, I do not believe I could actually use it. Feels just too unfamiliar... Even though I did use some other Magix programmes before...

They've basically become Corel. At this rate, they'll end up the same way.

Please explain further. Corel's PaintShop Pro is an excellent and affordable alternative to the super expensive competitor that some call 'ransom-ware' of Adobe's PhotoShop.

@Dexcon To be fair, I haven't looked at Corel in a number of years, but many moons ago, they went from having superior drawing and paint products to snapping up as many products as possible, putting out competing products, letting their better product languish or become bug laden to the point where Corel was a joke. You only bought their software because you still thought they put out decent software.

I think Magix has too many fingers in too many pies. The fact they have two products which directly compete with each other is evidence of this.

I then have a question.... what is Magix suppose to do then? What would have happened to Vegas if not for Magix?

VEGAS Pro lacking so many things. Even simple VFX like time trails, or Luma Keying, Posterize time can't be done with VEGAS Pro internally. You will need boris plugins. Even the copy & paste events without replacing the existing chain in media that been requested for many2 years till today we dont see any update/upgrade on that. Waiting so long till some user end up created an extension for VP https://www.vegascreativesoftware.info/us/forum/selectively-paste-effects--121634/

@alifftudm95 It seems that this extension cant support DirectX plugin like AAV Colorlab, soft contrast, and so on.

he copy & paste events without replacing the existing chain in media

So this request still hasn't been resolved well.

Rock-c, by looking at your examples only 4 I will consider "pro" vs "just interface"

They are (in order of "pro" importance): better stability!!!, fluent playback INFUSION Engine 2, real multi-timelines, real bezier keyframe graph,

- 3D stuff has noting to do with pro, many cheesy NLE's got that. 3D titles are so 90's...

- Integrated modern templates? a pro software should give good tools not many fishes

- intuitive integration in preview window? nothing pro here, it's just a common sense of useability. Corel basic NLE has this for ages.

** Adding PRO to a product name doesn't transform it to "professional", the user does so.

- 3D stuff has noting to do with pro, many cheesy NLE's got that. 3D titles are so 90's...

3D titler is of course a advanced vfx feature which many advanced plugins are proud of, such as newblue titler, boris titler studio. Vegas' titler, legacy text, ptt all can't make a extruded 3d title. It is very low.

- Integrated modern templates? a pro software should give good tools not many fishes

Template can save a lot of time if you use vegas to work. You just need to modify it more or less. Just like many MG templates. if you use vegas to play, of course you will not use templates.

- intuitive integration in preview window? nothing pro here, it's just a common sense of useability. Corel basic NLE has this for ages.

Of course this is advanced feature, just like after effects, premiere pro 's control overlay on screen. There is no doubt that it will save lots of time. And make adjusting VFX become handy and efficient.

@FayFen 

I have spent some time to look into Video Pro X.

It seems that Video Pro X has more improved :

real m

I just tried it. 4K60fps playback with transitions. no lag at all, 16% cpu. I then put a huge about of vfx on, no lag except during transitions. In the preview options however I chose reduce resolution, reduce frame rate. , But playback of 4k60fps with multiple transitions I could playback at full resolution and fps, and no lag at all and that's not possible for me with vegaspro

I'm beginning to get a sense that with vegaspro, they can't alter or improve the core engine, for whatever reason. they're only able to do cosmetic changes, addons and built in plugins. I wonder why that is. it's a real shame

edit: it doesn't seem to have hardware encoding is that correct or can you buy hardware encoding as a content option?

No hardware encoding. no sale

@FayFen 

I have spent some time to look into Video Pro X.

It seems that Video Pro X has more improved :

real m

I just tried it. 4K60fps playback with transitions. no lag at all, 16% cpu. I then put a huge about of vfx on, no lag except during transitions. In the preview options however I chose reduce resolution, reduce frame rate. , But playback of 4k60fps with multiple transitions I could playback at full resolution and fps, and no lag at all and that's not possible for me with vegaspro

I'm beginning to get a sense that with vegaspro, they can't alter or improve the core engine, for whatever reason. they're only able to do cosmetic changes, addons and built in plugins. I wonder why that is. it's a real shame

 

edit: it doesn't seem to have hardware encoding is that correct or can you buy hardware encoding as a content option?

No hardware encoding. no sale

@Former user It seems that Vegas haven't received a core or framework upgrade since Sony Vegas Pro 9.0 (OpenFX feature added).

They've basically become Corel. At this rate, they'll end up the same way.

@Dexcon Magix is not the only firm with competing products under their portofolio, Corel has both corel videostudio (based on ulead) and more recent pinnacle...

It sounds counter productive, but I suppose it makes sense commercially, the world is a big place, and some regions have NLE product brands which are more established than others, with customers keep buying and using upgrades of their favorite NLE. For example German's own Magix pro X and their more consumer version derivate I can imagine sells predominantly in Germany and the surrounding countries like Belgium. I find physical copies in stores for Coral, Pinacle and magix video delux consumer versions in Belgium, but not vegas. Vegas pro and their consumer version is maybe more a USA thing. Then there is the Asian market, Japan etc...

Be able to deliver standardized video signal to TV-Stations, that was a professional NLE.

Be able to follow the hardware development of display and realize the new video norm onto the new hardware, that is a professional NLE.

Pro means they all have equipped with professional monitoring tools both for video and audio editing.

The others are studios, saloons or clubs/premiums just for fun-together. That's why they all have many presets and 1, capture; 2, edit; 3, render; 4, WOW!!

I have nothing against pre-sets. There are times I really do not feel like reinventing the "wheel". I do have and use a "consumer" editor that strongly verges on prosumer, Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate. Yes, it has lots of fluff I would never use (and all that fluff looks good on the ad copy), but it also has some nice features. Yes, it has color wheels, scopes, LUTs, multicam editing which is way easier for me, you can use "nest" projects (and this has been available in that software for years), easy to use Split Screen editor, masking, etc.... it's editing tools are there with Vegas in a lot of critical areas of timeline editing.

I use the right tool for the job. I really really like using Vegas and have put my money on it several times already with past versions. If I have a critical project that runs longer than 10 minutes, I use Vegas, which has been reliable and stable for me. Pinnacle? It has it's moments.....

I have nothing against pre-sets. There are times I really do not feel like reinventing the "wheel". I do have and use a "consumer" editor that strongly verges on prosumer, Pinnacle Studio 23 Ultimate. Yes, it has lots of fluff I would never use (and all that fluff looks good on the ad copy), but it also has some nice features. Yes, it has color wheels, scopes, LUTs, multicam editing which is way easier for me, you can use "nest" projects (and this has been available in that software for years), easy to use Split Screen editor, masking, etc.... it's editing tools are there with Vegas in a lot of critical areas of timeline editing.

I use the right tool for the job. I really really like using Vegas and have put my money on it several times already with past versions. If I have a critical project that runs longer than 10 minutes, I use Vegas, which has been reliable and stable for me. Pinnacle? It has it's moments.....

 

If Vegas Pro progress more, you will like it more.