Event Gain Envelope not working correctly?

farss wrote on 6/29/2010, 3:34 AM

According to the documentation the Event Gain Envelope can be adjusted in small increments by:

1) Holding down the control key while moving it with the mouse.
2) By holding down the right mouse key while adjusting the sustain portion of the envelope.

1) Makes no difference, using method 2) no amount of dragging up or down makes any change to the envelope.
I've checked this in V5, and 6 on one PC and V9 on another PC, same on all of them.
Track volume envelopes adjust as advertised.

Bob.

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Geoff_Wood wrote on 6/30/2010, 10:02 PM

You can of course push the track level slider up to +12, and for more gain either normalise to whatever value you like (fiddly), or use the Track Volume plugin and set exactly what extra gain (+6 to -inf) you need, and save presets for common values.

If you are often wanting gains of over 12dB (+30 !!!), then there is something seriuously wrong with your source media or recording technique. Which is probably why it is not easily available as a routine adjustment.

If I have for whatever reason an incredibly low volume track and need to boost it beyond the easily accessible +12, then I often normalise (to -0.3dB, my default) then pull down the Track Volume envelope. Again, Sony alternatively calling it Gain is silly, because Gain is one thing that that control CANNOT do !

geoff

PS Just tried another installation and still the mouse distance/attenuation is pretty much then same with/without CTRL. But if I narrow the track to near minimum height it just may ,just, make somw small difference. At minimum height I get no Track Volume envelope action at all.

farss wrote on 7/1/2010, 12:43 AM

"If you are often wanting gains of over 12dB (+30 !!!), then there is something seriuously wrong with your source media or recording technique. Which is probably why it is not easily available as a routine adjustment."

This wasn't recoded by me!
It's a theatrical edit / mix complete with gunshots, explosions, shouts and whispers. Anyone who could hold a pole or twiddle a knob was used to record the location audio.

Bob.

Chienworks wrote on 7/1/2010, 7:57 AM

Kinda hate to admit it, but when i've been hired to record theater i usually end up putting a pretty strong compressor inline between the mixer and the recorder. I started doing it because my best cassette deck with metal tape still only had a dynamic range of about 65dB and that wasn't enough to cover the range of the performance. I had to flatten the 80+dB range down to about 40 to get a usable recording, and then i'd compress it even more afterwards to make it something people would want to listen to.

I still use it now even when recording direct to hard drive, but not at anywhere near as extreme a level. Mostly i use it as a limiter for the occasional transient like gunshots and such.

It's always seemed odd to me that an audience easily puts up with that much of a dynamic range while attending a live performance, but if the recording varies by even a small fraction of that amount people complain that some parts are too loud and others are too soft.