Exporting Markers from the Trimmer

fhu wrote on 9/29/2020, 11:25 AM

I'm working on a long form doc with many interviews. I have placed markers (with descriptions) in the trimmer window for each interview clip to describe a change in the conversation.

I know you can export the timeline markers but can't figure out how to export the trimmer window markers. Is there a way to export those trimmer window markers to a spreadsheet?

Or is there any way to "search" markers within VP18?

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Marco. wrote on 9/29/2020, 11:44 AM

Though the Trimmer Markers are saved as "SFL" files beside the source files I think there is no access to these kind of Trimmer Markers except of in the Trimmer itself or inside the Timeline Events.

fhu wrote on 9/29/2020, 12:56 PM

Thanks @Marco. Good info.

Is there a better documentary workflow within VP to mark / organize interview moments?

Marco. wrote on 9/29/2020, 1:41 PM

One possible way could be to use Regions instead of Markers in the Trimmer. You then could view the listed Regions in the Vegas Pro Explorer window once you relaunched Vegas Pro and you can then use the Regions just like clips.

michael-harrison wrote on 9/29/2020, 1:46 PM

Out of curiosity... why would using markers in the trimmer be preferable to markers in the timeline?

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fhu wrote on 9/29/2020, 2:00 PM

One possible way could be to use Regions instead of Markers in the Trimmer. You then could view the listed Regions in the Vegas Pro Explorer window once you relaunched Vegas Pro and you can then use the Regions just like clips.

I will try this with Regions once I’m back on my machine.

Out of curiosity... why would using markers in the trimmer be preferable to markers in the timeline?

Markers inside the trimmer are better for marking moments inside a long clip imo.
The markers attach to the video, even if you were to open that video in a new Vegas project. The markers are always there. It’s a cool feature. But definitely wish they were exportable / searchable :)

Marco. wrote on 9/29/2020, 2:41 PM

Yes, my main purpose of using Trimmer Markers is to have them inside the clip instead of just on the Timeline.

fhu wrote on 9/29/2020, 3:32 PM

@Marco. the regions inside the trimmer window are great. Thanks for that suggestion, never knew!

So there's no way to search these regions inside the "explorer" window of VP.

Or export to a spreadsheet -- is that right?

DougT wrote on 9/29/2020, 3:53 PM

If you open VIEW> EDIT DETAILS, you can see the Markers or Regions in a spreadsheet type format. You can copy and paste those into apps like work, or maybe Excel

michael-harrison wrote on 9/29/2020, 4:06 PM

@DougT the markers set in the trimmer don't show up in View -> Windows -> Edit Details

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Marco. wrote on 9/29/2020, 4:07 PM

@DougT
Unfortunately the Edit Details window only list Markers and Regions of the Timeline, not that ones from the Trimmer.

@fhu
"So there's no way to search these regions inside the "explorer" window of VP."

Right, there is no search or export function for the Explorer's Region view. If you need this, maybe it would be a better workflow to use one separated main Vegas Pro project to manage your interviews on the timeline, set Markers/Regions there and maybe export and import via Vegasaur (or the harder way via copy & paste from/to the Edit Details window between two projects).

michael-harrison wrote on 9/29/2020, 4:07 PM

They also don't always save back to the file being marked :-(

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michael-harrison wrote on 9/29/2020, 4:11 PM

@Marco. are there only some formats that can be used with the trimmer marker feature? I know I've accidentally managed to save file markers in exactly one project in the last two years and just now when I tried to use it with AVI source, the markers don't get saved.

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Marco. wrote on 9/29/2020, 4:25 PM

Did manually save the Markers or do you have auto-save enabled?

michael-harrison wrote on 9/29/2020, 4:36 PM

@Marco. "Automatically save trimmer markers..." is checked in the prefs. VP17-452

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fhu wrote on 9/29/2020, 6:05 PM


"So there's no way to search these regions inside the "explorer" window of VP."

Right, there is no search or export function for the Explorer's Region view. If you need this, maybe it would be a better workflow to use one separated main Vegas Pro project to manage your interviews on the timeline, set Markers/Regions there and maybe export and import via Vegasaur (or the harder way via copy & paste from/to the Edit Details window between two projects).

Thanks for this thought. I'll experiment with this workflow. Hope we can one day have a pancake timeline set-up within VP 🙏

DougT wrote on 9/29/2020, 6:08 PM

You are right. Maybe that is something a script could be created to do.

Marco. wrote on 9/30/2020, 4:49 AM

@michael-harrison
Which particular video and audio codecs are used in your AVI files?

I just tried with AVI (Grass Valley HQX video and PCM audio) and with this type of AVI saving Trimmer markers works fine in VP17 build 452. Them are saved in an external SFL file so be sure this SFL file is available in the same folder as the source AVI.

michael-harrison wrote on 9/30/2020, 8:45 AM

@Marco. I'm using AVI with MagicYUV codec & PCM audio

The sfl file is there but has the same modified date as the avi, Sept 27th even though I was playing with trimmer markers on the 29th.

One thing I've noticed is that setting markers in the trimmer doesn't set the project dirty flag in Vegas so while I have saved before exiting, Vegas won't stop me from exiting without saving.

In fact, in experimenting while replying I found that closing the project and attempting to re-open it results in an unspecific error that the file could not be opened. I have to close VP entirely before I can re-open the project.

Even modifying the base project so that Vegas sees it as dirty doesn't result in the trimmer markers being saved.

The avi and sfl are read-write

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Marco. wrote on 9/30/2020, 9:52 AM

@michael-harrison
I can repro the Markers are not saved for the MagicYUV codec, there's no Marker data written into an existing SFL file and if the SFL file didn't exist before it will not be generated. Sounds like a bug.

michael-harrison wrote on 9/30/2020, 10:51 AM

@Marco. wondering why the codec would matter if the marker data is stored in the sfl file...

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Marco. wrote on 9/30/2020, 11:25 AM

Good question. According to the VP help section Vegas Pro even only generates an external SFL file if VP can't write the Marker data into the source file. Which makes no sense to me as this would mean the source file would need to be re-written which could last some time and would prevent the clip to be used in this time.

Edit:
I just see usually if you don't have the auto-save of Markers selected via Options/Preferences/General there is a choice to save the Markers when right-clicking the Trimmer window. But this choice to save the Markers isn't available when you use a MagicYUV file in the Trimmer.
Also the "Promote Media Markers" script does not work for such files.