Final Cut Pro Wins Again

LongTallTexan wrote on 5/14/2007, 4:37 PM

Well with numorous attempts through this forum and others supporting Vegas, No help could be found for my format issue. I was banging my head over using DVCPRO HD files ingested through a Kona 2 card with Final Cut Pro and got a few suggestions none helping things. I downloaded numerous plugins ie. Raymaker, Quicktime Pro, all types of codecs, and the conclusion is that Vegas just cant work with the files. This was to be a feature release on HDNET and I know I could have run circles around there Final Cut Pro edit given the chance. In the end, a big told you so came from the other side and the project never even got a chance. I am super disapointed with the lack of support for DVCPRO HD files Kona Proprietary and standard. This is one of the industry standard HD formats allowing for easy edits and the realization of this shortcomming has toileted this project. Thanks for the few that tried to offer advice but once again Sony is in the dust and our competion is racing towards another victory. I am deeply disapointed but will still keep hammering away at Vegas in hopes that some day we can all compete on an even playing field. No bother with any fix suggestions at this point, That boat has sailed.

L.T.

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farss wrote on 5/16/2007, 5:48 PM

Rob,
I agree with this 110%.
And sure there's plenty of systems at various pricepoints that'll do what any of us might need NOW, with associated hardware costs to match too.
So why hammer away at Sony, no matter what else I/we end up buying into I'll still be buying the Vegas upgrades and I'll still be earning a decent income from using Vegas.
The answer is that Vegas has such an intuitive workflow, GUI and a general lack of baggage. Speaking to vendors of high end systems at NAB everyone of them had unkind things to say about Apple, they don't say it out loud, they're not that dumb.
I'd also mention that thanks to Vegas's XDCAM integration there are now people out there with serious kit and big budgets using Vegas. Interesting question is why don't we see them here?
One of them did come here once, I fully understand why he hasn't been seen since.

Bob.

rmack350 wrote on 5/16/2007, 6:09 PM

Ah. My mistake. Better go back and read :-)

Rob

rmack350 wrote on 5/16/2007, 6:15 PM

Oh yeah, I can see why they might not be hanging out on this forum.

You're right. People here hammer at Vegas because they want to use it.

I think Sony maybe needs to put some specific case studies up on the site. Things like, what User X did to incorporate HDCam into their system, how User Y used HDCPro HD in Vegas, etc, etc.

Looking at the hardware requirements for HD cards at the Xena and BMD sites, I don't see LT setting up a system "right now". Case studies might help prepare users for this kind of thing.

Rob Mack

mvb wrote on 5/16/2007, 8:06 PM

" I tried RAYLIGHT and it wouldn't touch the files. "

I'm curious about this statement because the last I heard from
you, you had the Quicktime files in Vegas playing back, the only
problem was the DVFilm watermark because you were still running the demo version.

ForumAdmin wrote on 5/16/2007, 8:08 PM

Texan, if your production crew had shot in XDCAM, or transferrred to XDCAM (which you still could do even this late in the game), you could cut and master this program in Vegas (or FCP), on a laptop.- no raids required, no HD-SDI required, you could do all i/o as file transfers.

This is also true if you could have stayed in P2 DVCPRO 100 land- Vegas+Raylight or Cineform, or FCP, can work with P2 MXF files, no capture required.

I understand that a MISTAKE got made upstream, not by you, and you now have to deal with it. My advice is to NOT try to rent an HDCAM deck and capture via HD-SDI on your system, but rather have a post house create XDCAM dubs for you, and give you the files. Say the word and I will post 10 companies that can do this service for you.

Trust me this is the best/cheapest route for you at this point in time. Anybody who intends to say otherwise, please include your HDCAM deck serial number along with your post..

scs dev

(HDCAM deck s/n: 1001)

rmack350 wrote on 5/16/2007, 8:48 PM

Yes, that was more to the point.

Rob Mack

LongTallTexan wrote on 5/17/2007, 4:34 AM

So these post houses will give it to me as an ingested file or as XDCAM tapes that I will have to rent an XDCAM deck or Camera to capture off of. Also Since this is for HD broadcast, will the conversion compress the footage to where it is a noticiable quality loss? I would love to contact a few companies you recomend for this service especially if they can give me ingested files. Also would it be ingested via firewire? One last notee, it is nice to see Sony chime in on this. Thanks for listening.

L.T.

Jay Gladwell wrote on 5/17/2007, 4:36 AM

I would be interested in knowing who those post houses are.

Thank you!

farss wrote on 5/17/2007, 5:04 AM

XDCAM is a file / disk based format, I could be wrong here but I believe they can give it to you on a hard disk(s). XDCAM isn't a tape based format.

Bob.

Spot|DSE wrote on 5/17/2007, 7:16 AM

That is how you'll receive it; on either DVDs per disc, or better, on HDD. On a slow system, you can use the proxies, and then conform to full rez files later. Had this option been available to us at the time, this is the route we'd have gone as well.
Go to "View/XDCAM Explorer" and you'll see the tools available there.
XDCAM is a fabulous intermediary/transport/mastering format.

LongTallTexan wrote on 5/17/2007, 3:42 PM

please send me the list of companies in or around Houston Texas.

L.T.

SCS dev edit: We emailed you

jaydeeee wrote on 5/17/2007, 7:20 PM

>>"VISTA is a disaster for a professional editor"

And the very same thing was said of Windows XP when everyone was running Win98 or Win2k.<<

Haha...
Sorry, but no. Please don't pull that old chestnut out of the box. XP to Vista isn't even close to Win98 to XP. Not by a longshot.

rmack350 wrote on 5/17/2007, 8:51 PM

Just because some hysterical people were wrong about XP doesn't mean those same hysterical people can't be right about Vista. Heck, they've got to be right once in a while. ;-)

Rob Mack

John_Cline wrote on 5/17/2007, 9:07 PM

I don't know why everyone hates Vista so much. How many of you Vista haters have actually played with it? I have and some of it's features are pretty slick.

If it's the resource hungry Aero interface that bugs you, then just shut the friggin thing off. At any rate, I'm going to wait until SP1 before I actually start to use in a production environment, but that applies to any piece of new software or a new OS.

vitalforce wrote on 5/18/2007, 10:15 AM

Been away a few days but after mentioning planning to get FCP Studio 2, question was posed how many of the half-million copies sold, were first-time buyers. I am assuming only a small percentage, but with the Mac now running Intel chips and offering free Boot Camp there is a mass scuffling of feet to buy new Macs to replace PCs, and in the process, suddenly dedicated PC users can now learn GUIs like FCP.

That said, now the thrill has settled down of getting under the Mac hood, I'm not going to abandon Vegas 7. My hope is to see a more efficient output so I can secretly edit in Vegas, while ingesting from, and outputting to FCP users (even Avid?). Only problem is the new FCP codec is 10-bit natively, so guess what I'm hoping to see in Vegas 8?

alfredsvideo wrote on 5/18/2007, 3:06 PM

Personally, I have always been an avid supporter of Vegas.

ken c wrote on 5/18/2007, 6:51 PM

I too have been an Avid supporter of Vegas, except when I need a Final Cut for a movie Premiere I have... :p

ken