Finding hardware help for new worstation rig

PYFMG wrote on 9/1/2014, 5:12 PM

Hello,

I am building a new computer for video editing and rendering 4K at 24P. I will also handle 60P to 24P for slo-mo shots. I will use 5.1 surround sound for my projects. I plan on using many layers of 4K 24P video and will use many transitions, text, effects, and color correction.

Will Sony Vegas render faster with faster processor speeds or more cores (Looking at a 6 core i7 right now)

Which graphics card is best used for rendering my specs above? AMD or NVIDIA? Looking at the mid range of 300-500$.

Does Vegas benefit from more than one graphics card?

Will I need more than 8GB of DDR3 RAM for the rendering specs above?

Thanks

Nicholas

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ushere wrote on 9/1/2014, 6:19 PM

i'm certainly no expert with pc builds, but:

I plan on using many layers of 4K 24P video and will use many transitions, text, effects, and color correction.

means i think you're looking at some pretty heavy duty hardware.

have you much experience with nle editing?

i'm only asking so as save you some grief when things don't go like you expect them to ;-(

OldSmoke wrote on 9/1/2014, 6:30 PM

PYFMY

Look at my specs. This is a good starting point but even on my system I am working with 1080 30p proxies. If you want to work without proxies, spefically many tracks, you need double the amount of cores and that means a dual CPU setup. My source files are 4K 30p @ 60Mb form a FDR-AX100.

Yes, Vegas can make use of two GPUs but you don't set them up as SLI or Crossfire but rather individual cards.

PYFMG wrote on 9/1/2014, 6:36 PM

@ushere
About 4 years of basic experience, 1 year on Windows Movie Maker (Back when it had a timeline to work with), 2 and a half years on Vegas Movie studio and about 3 months on Vegas Pro, and a few months of more advanced experience (learning the scopes primarily. I want to learn more 5.1). Learned from a video editor friend and some new things online. Recorded and edited 1080i 60i and 1080P 60p. So far, messing with the new AX1, but for now shooting in 1080P 24P in XAVCS format.

@ OldSmoke
Okay, thanks. I'll use you as reference. So what do you mean as Individual cards? I am relatively good at putting together a PC, but relatively new to things like Crossfire.

EDIT: Whops! Don't know where my mind was going. I meant AX1, not AX100. I keep calling it AX100 because it looks bigger.

videoITguy wrote on 9/1/2014, 7:16 PM

My comment to the OP is meant to be deliberate and constructive. You are biting off way too much to chew with the little experience that you present on an NLE. Be careful what you propose to do without a purpose. I don't see you having expressed a purpose for your inclination to do these things.

PYFMG wrote on 9/1/2014, 7:26 PM

Yeah, I understand. I don't have enough money for a new rig in a few months anyways. Still recovering since buying this piece of Equipment. But I gotta advance somewhere. I know that's a big jump from 1080P 60P to 4k 24P and Movie studio to Vegas pro, but I bought the camcorder and Vegas Pro anyways and both work good for my skill level. Yeah, still learning new things every day I edit though. But I seriously gotta get a proper class to get more experience with NLE in general.

videoITguy wrote on 9/1/2014, 8:58 PM

Well, I still did not see any purpose expressed for you using an NLE. You have to understand that the process is about acquiring footage, making out a workflow to get to your destination point, and then executing on it.
4k is all about acquisition at this point in time, not really very much about editing, and hardly nothing at all about destination.

PYFMG wrote on 9/1/2014, 9:47 PM

What do you mean about acquisition? Like filming using Mise en Scene and Cinematography?

I planned on using NLE for making a YouTube video series about places to go to in San Francisco and the only way to get that style of video I would believe is through NLE. Mixing sound and video, using transitions, effects, text, etc I believe is only attainable through NLE. Yes I understand your point, but I have to disagree. For what I'm making, I believe I need NLE. Linear is too simple.

ushere wrote on 9/1/2014, 10:10 PM

i think what videoitguy is implying is what i was trying to gather in my earlier post....

4k is pretty heavy going on hardware, and you hadn't stated what exactly you were going to be doing with it....

from yir last response i think you really need to consider whether working in 4k is necessary for youtube. frankly i know few people with connections fast enough to watch hd, let alone 4k. of course viewers can download video, but in this day and age they want instant gratification, so it's play or forget.

4k, from what i gather and have seen is great for post framing, but little else unless you have a distribution plan for anything exceeding hd.

my advice would be to work with proxies until you find you have a market that will finance the necessary hardware to work with 4k directly.

good luck

PYFMG wrote on 9/1/2014, 10:18 PM

Okay, I think I understand now what you guys are saying and I respect that. Now that I think of it, I feel like I should render 1080P with what I currently have, but I will still record 4K since I already have a 4K monitor and a sufficient graphics at least for editing colors and effects. Basically, easier editing. Thanks everybody for your help!

Nicholas

videoITguy wrote on 9/2/2014, 9:39 AM

Hmm, you have a 4k monitor? Do you have a pipeline available to play 4k out of anything let alone an NLE? I think not. As my post above is very relevant - read that again.

AFAIK, the only available 4k consumer pipeline out now, is a direct connection to a newer Blu-ray player. And keep in mind this is just taking a 1080 recording from Blu-ray and allowing it thru a 4k pipeline.

For Youtube you do not need or really want 4k...