First Vimeo Posting

Kimberly wrote on 12/7/2010, 10:10 AM
Hello All:

Here is my first Vimeo posting. Wow the playback quality is so much better on Vimeo!

I've been hesitant to post on Vimeo because the quality of the projects you see there so impressive and, quite frankly, intimidating. But we all gotta start somewhere, so here goes.

vimeo.com/17539789

This video's format is typical of our weekly trip video on the dive boat. I do a short music video compilation for each site and them stick 'em together in a DVD at the end of the week. This particular wreck is a deep one and we only do it for divers who have advanced training.

Regards,

Kimberly

Comments

MUTTLEY wrote on 12/7/2010, 10:41 AM

Congrats on the vid and Vimeo, have been using them forever and love how my stuff looks there. YouTube has come a long way but still prefer Vimeo for so many reasons.

Love the vid, nicely done Kimberly.

- Ray
Underground Planet
amendegw wrote on 12/7/2010, 11:08 AM
Kimberly,

Good job on the video. The quality of the underwater shots was quite amazing - all done with a Sony HDR-HC3!

fwiw, my sister is a cave diver. She co-authored a book about one of her adventures; http://www.amazon.com/Beyond-Deep-Deadly-Descent-Treacherous/dp/0446527092

Keep the vids coming!
...Jerry

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UlfLaursen wrote on 12/7/2010, 8:41 PM
very nice - thanks for sharing :)

/Ulf
PerroneFord wrote on 12/7/2010, 9:13 PM
Hmm, Bill Stone. Not a name I hear too often these days..
PerroneFord wrote on 12/7/2010, 9:14 PM
Good work on the video. Are you based in Truk? I've got numerous friends who've been over there to dive. Is it still nearly impossible to get trimix?
Kimberly wrote on 12/7/2010, 10:37 PM
Hi Perrone:

I am in Truk, with the Odyssey. The Odyssey is a great operation. We do see a lot of rebreathers and of course we can mix stage bottles up to 100%. Our owner is trimix certified himself, but chooses not to offer it for a variety of reasons.

If you have your heart set on trimix, you would want to go with Truk Stop. They have it.

Kimberly
PerroneFord wrote on 12/7/2010, 11:25 PM
Well, thanks for the info. I know that some years ago, divers had to make arrangements to bring in helium themselves and blend. At least this sounds like it could be available if desired.

With your permission, I'd like to add this video to my Wreck Diving page on Vimeo.
Kimberly wrote on 12/8/2010, 5:29 AM
Wreck diving? Did someone say wreck diving? Oh yessssss. I will go have a look myself.

You should contact Truk Stop in advance to be sure they have the helium. They are the breathing gas purveyor for the island but it never hurts to be sure. Or just book on the Odyssey and we'll show you everything there is to see plus you can deco on the blend of your choice. I had to include that last part : )

Edit: Perrone, I looked for PerroneFord on Vimeo but didn't find any wrecks. I would like to see them if you don't mind sharing the link.
PerroneFord wrote on 12/8/2010, 7:01 AM
I also maintain what I believe to be the largest cave diving video site on the internet:

http://vimeo.com/groups/cavediving
VidMus wrote on 12/8/2010, 1:18 PM
Great video but, I noticed that there is stuttering at times.

I tried Vimeo and gave-up on it for that reason. Stuttering looks annoying!

My original videos do not have that and when I create FLV files and put them on my web page I do not have them there. Only on Vimeo!

Do you notice the stutter?
Kimberly wrote on 12/8/2010, 4:45 PM
I didn't see a stutter from my computer. It is just my network at home with FiOS so nothing special on speed, but that may not mean anything.

Do you remember where you saw it? Did the stutter seem random or did it show up at the same place, same time? I would like to take a look to see if I can see it.
NickHope wrote on 12/8/2010, 7:24 PM
I had a bit of stuttering near the start of the video but I assumed it was a graphics issue with my own computer (I was watching full screen) as opposed to a problem with the video. Nice video btw Kimberly.
musicvid10 wrote on 12/8/2010, 7:32 PM
It is really easy to prevent stuttering with Vimeo, even with modest connections.

-- Start the video, then immediately stop it.
-- Watch the progress bar and wait until the video is fully downloaded.
-- Play as normal.
PerroneFord wrote on 12/8/2010, 7:56 PM
Sadly, that is the opposite of how a streaming service is supposed to work.
Kimberly wrote on 12/8/2010, 8:04 PM
I must be doing this unintentionally. First I start the video, then pause it because I remember I want to run downstairs and fill my cup. Then I restart from the beginning and it plays fine.
PerroneFord wrote on 12/8/2010, 8:11 PM
It's not you. People have been complaining about this issue for months. I've given up on it.
VidMus wrote on 12/9/2010, 1:13 AM
Kimberly said, “Do you remember where you saw it? Did the stutter seem random or did it show up at the same place, same time? I would like to take a look to see if I can see it. “


I see it at the same places each time. Locations where it is most noticeable is when there is panning. One location is from 50 seconds to 1 minute and 10 seconds. It is like the video has little micro-pauses.

My bandwidth is very high so there is no need to pause and wait for video. Even so, I did pause and wait until the entire video was downloaded and it still stuttered.

Maybe this happens on some systems and not others?

Anyway, the videos I upload are complete Church services that are more than an hour and a half each. Even in multiple parts each video can be approx 30 minutes long. Would be nice if they would work on Vimeo but on mine and other systems it does not. Imagine watching a preacher stutter across the rostrum. Not Good! If it were a dance video instead of a Church video, with the stutter it would be a ZONK!

Vimeo is not a true streaming service. I have to wait for a later part of a video to download before I can click ahead in the video. Won't be too noticeable with a short video and extra high speed but on my long videos it stands out like a sore thumb.

I have plenty of space with GoDaddy and am now putting my latest videos on my own site as FLV. Approx 500 - 900 meg per service. My upload speed is faster than most DSL downloads.

I will start another thread with my workflow from Vegas to FLV. I need to type that up first and not here. That way I won't have to keep re-editing out my typos and other gunk. I want to finish tweaking my workflow with Vegas 10 first. Yes, I got 10 early in the morning on December 1st through the upgrade prompt from Vegas 9 not here or the email.

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DGates wrote on 12/9/2010, 1:44 AM
We get it, Danny. You don't like Vimeo. But many of us do.

No, it's not a true streaming service, but you're not paying premium streaming prices either, and most people use it for free.
DGates wrote on 12/9/2010, 1:46 AM
Kim,

Nice video! Makes me want to dive there.

amendegw wrote on 12/9/2010, 3:24 AM
"No, it's not a true streaming service, but you're not paying premium streaming prices either, and most people use it for free."fwiw, "Adaptive Bit Streaming" appears to be the future, see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_bit_rate

"Adaptive bit rate (or adaptive bitrate) streaming is a technique used in streaming multimedia over computer networks.

For a pretty impressive demo of this technology see: http://www.iis.net/media/experiencesmoothstreaming (note: this is a Silverlight demo, and yes, I'm aware there are a lot of Silverlight naysayers here).

Also, I too, have a Godaddy account and have attempted to experiment with this technology. But, alas, Godaddy will not allow me to twiddle with my IIS settings, so I have (temporarily) put this project on hold.

...Jerry

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VidMus wrote on 12/9/2010, 3:31 AM
DGates rudely said, "We get it, Danny. You don't like Vimeo. But many of us do."

Actually DGates, I do like Vimeo. I wish I could use it and cut down on my bandwidth expenses. Also would make it hopefully possible to play my videos on devices like the RoKu and others.

The problem is I could not find a way to get it to work for me. The stutter problem as has already been pointed out is something that has been complained about for months now. Even on their forums.

I even tried the paid level to see if maybe the free version with less quality might have been the issue. I still had the same problem.

I contacted support and they tried to help me with this problem but was unable to do so. So, I cancelled my paid version and got a full refund.

So even though they could not solve the issue their support was great.

Maybe their system does not like mine and others video(s) and/or the way I/they rendered it. Most others who complained said it all started when Vimeo went from VP6 to an MP4 format. All of a sudden the stutter problem started when they did that.

So not only is it not me, it is a Vimeo problem.

Finally, your rude reply was unnecessary, uncalled for and unhelpful to this thread, others and this forum!

Say something helpful or nothing at all!!!
amendegw wrote on 12/9/2010, 3:46 AM
Oh, and one more thing about Adaptive Bit Rate Streaming. Notice in the Wikipedia article, " It requires the use of an encoder which can encode a single source video at multiple bit rates"

I believe, although I'm not certain until I do my testing, that the WMV encoder that comes with Vegas will provide for these renders. Note, you can select multiple bit rates when rendering to WMV.



...Jerry

PS: Aaarghhh. Looks like my postings are being interleaved with a good fight.

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rs170a wrote on 12/9/2010, 4:26 AM
Danny (VidMus), do like most of the rest of us do and ignore DGates.
It's very rare that he has anything worthwhile to say anyway :-(
Your responses have been well thought out and worthwhile to those of us who do care about such issues.

Mike