Follow up on JPEG stills / HD settings

hackazoid wrote on 11/16/2009, 9:59 AM
I'm running 8.0c (build 260), and have done some research for the JEPGs as I want to do a 15-20 min combo pic/video DVD of a vacation as my FIRST try at HD format.

I see that the stills should not exceed 2000 x 2000, so have tried a test of a size of 8.0" x 4.404" at 200 ppi (= 1600 so under the 2000) which seems to view fine on my computer playback but not sure on a larger screen with the DVD.

Questions please:

* any quality viewing advantage to save at quality level 10 vs 12 to produce file size of about 500 kb vs 1 mb. Might have about 200 pics.

* is there a viewing difference between 8" at 250ppi vs 10" at 200 ppi

* do the above answers differ if DVD played on a 65" TV versus my friend's 120" movie theatre screen.

* my test render was a WMV with the "6Mps HD 720-30p video" setting. Is this OK or should I use something else?

Thanks for the help. Trying to get real world advice before putting a lot of time in and possibly having it wasted. Also, hope it doesn't crash like I had on a 35 min video last year.

regards, Hack.

Comments

musicvid10 wrote on 11/16/2009, 10:08 AM
Pixels are pixels.
The dpi (or ppi) means nothing to Vegas. They are used in scanning and printing applications.

As long as the pixel dimensions are equal to or greater than your output, that is the best resolution you will get. People who put large stills in their projects do so with the anticipation that they will be doing some cropping and panning, so they don't want the output dimensions to exceed the cropped input dimensions.

Vegas tends to like PNG better than JPEG (less system load). If you have many of them it is a good thing to convert first. IrfanView has a nice batch converter built in.
hackazoid wrote on 11/16/2009, 10:59 AM
Thanks, now I'll show some ignorance.

Not clear on the "greater than your output" comment relative to P&C and the screen sizes I might show them on.

Also, based on what you said, if I do some zooming in via P&C, am I better to start with a 20" pic at 100 PPI vs the 10" at 200 PPI.

Any comments on the rendering setting? I'm using my Pany ZS3 with the AVCHD Lite so not a Pro model since only for friends and family.

Again, sorry if this is stupid, but it is a big help to me.
Former user wrote on 11/16/2009, 11:13 AM
When dealing with resolution in TV, forget about inches and PPI. A Standard Definition TV image is 720 x 480 NTSC. You want your images to be at least 720 x 480. If you plan on doing zooms or moves, then you might want twice that resolution.

You say this is your first try at an HD format, but a DVD is Standard Definition, not HD. The only way you can view HD is if you burn a Blu Ray disc or play from an HD file.

Dave T2
farss wrote on 11/16/2009, 12:41 PM
The term "dpi" does have some meaning for video. The standard definition video system seems generally to be considered to be 72dpi. This makes some sense, at normal viewing angle a TV screen will look the same as a print of that size at 72dpi.

Of course unlike a print the video system has a fixed resolution so apart from the above the term "dpi" is meaningless.


The 2K x 2K limit applies only to project settings. There's no hard coded limit on how big a still image can be. Too many too big could run you into problems with having enough RAM. I've used jpeg, tiff, png, bmp without any issue, I've had tiffs of monsterous dimensions on the T/L and rendered out without issue and on a system with only 512K of RAM. Not something I'd want to do again though.

There's little to nothing to be gained going overboard with still resolution. It all has to get buffered into RAM and the higher the res the slower things can get. One tip I learned from a pro is to never have a still image absolutely static. Use the tiniest pan or zoom, the viewer doesn't have to notice the image isn't static for it to make a difference to the look of the image.

Bob.
Former user wrote on 11/16/2009, 1:29 PM
The 72 DPI started because early monitors were actually 72dpi. But it has no meaning at all in video.

Dave T2
hackazoid wrote on 11/17/2009, 9:17 AM
Humm... good point on the HD & Blue Ray.

I guess I'm really looking to use 'Widescreen' for the project settings and crop the pics so not to look squatty--as the videos are already in widescreen format. Does that sound right?

Follow-up on the pics please---are we saying these two would show up the same on a 65" or 120" screen from the DVD:

* pic cropped to 8 x 4.404 at 225 px to be 1800x991
* pic cropped to 18 x 9.909 at 100 px to be 1800x991

I know for printing, the 225 px is better for blow-ups, just struggling with the video impact.

Thanks again.
gpsmikey wrote on 11/17/2009, 9:43 AM
Something you might want to check out is Photodex Proshow Producer - it's purpose in life is making slide shows and has a LOT of options/power on what you can do with the slideshow. One of the output options is uncompressed avi (which I often use) which can then be brought into Vegas, add additional stuff etc then render to DVD or whatever you want. The two applications work well together ( I use both - trying to avoid the "when all you have is a hammer, the world looks like a nail" routine). Check out the Photodex stuff at http://www.photodex.com -- slide shows are much easier to create in an application designed for that.

mikey
musicvid10 wrote on 11/17/2009, 10:16 AM
I know for printing, the 225 px is better for blow-ups, just struggling with the video impact.

There is none!

Pixels per inch do not show up on a TV, only pixels.
The input to a TV is the same, for instance 720x480, whether the TV is 20" or 200"
That is exacly 345,600 pixels inputted to either screen.

Once again, pixels are pixels. As someone else suggested, stop thinking in terms of inches and ppi, and start thinking in terms of pixels. With all due respect, you are overthinking. A TV is not a printer.

You have now been given the correct answer five times.
Re your first post, a DVD is not HD, it is SD. A DVD is not WMV, it is MPEG-2.
Converting your JPEG images to PNG will give you better memory handling in Vegas 8.0c
rs170a wrote on 11/17/2009, 10:53 AM
e we saying these two would show up the same on a 65" or 120" screen from the DVD:

I'm always disappointed when I see my projects on a 10' x 12' projection screen as I'm used to seeing them on a high res 15" CRT :-)
The bigger the screen, the more clarity you'll lose.
Of course, this assumes you're talking similar models and not a moped vs. a Harley.
I generally keep my stills at 2X project resolution.
That is, 1440 x 960 for NTSC DV.
Adjust these numbers according to your specific project settings.
In video, pixels are the only thing that matters, not the dpi.

Mike
hackazoid wrote on 11/17/2009, 9:44 PM
Thanks, sorry to appear dense.

I know the DVD issue (HD was a lapse, meant Widescreen) and have burned them in the past. My WMV was just to see if there was a quality difference I could see.

Hopefully the widescreen settings will make the DVD look good.