Check out DVfilmaker----excellent and very reasonably priced-

There are actually many ways to get a 'film look' but if you mean a plug-in for VV there really isn't just yet, and I mean a simple pre-set that you would just click like you do with FilmFX or Magic Bullet. Having said that if you are using After Effects you can use Magic Bullet and exprt the footage back to VV (Or vice versa) but I did a test - with Vegas Video converting a 30i piece to 24p *AND* adding the filters (Glow, Color Curves, Level, Saturation Adjust and Broadcast Colors) the render time was about 1 hour per 1 minute of footage. For Magic Bullet, only adding the 'bullet' not any of the looks, the render time for the same piece was about 5 Hours and 17 minutes per 30 seconds. The end result for me was that I am VERY happy with the 'film look' I get from VV 4.0b. I was not happy really with the bulleted look compared to what VV did, and the render time for me is a real issue. Having said this I also did a side by side comparision on another piece of video - a 35 second zoom. I was not happy with what VV did so I tried Bullet and that was even worse looking in the coversion. So I tried Reel Smart Twixtor along with Reel Smart Fields Kit. The end result was much smoother. So the bottom line, IMHO, is that the answer really depends on the footage and the overall look you are tying to get. For overall fast 'looks' I really love FilmFX. But that is not an option yet for VV as a plug-in. Magic Bullet has very nice 'looks' but it is a render hog. For now if you use Vegas you will have to play around and make you own looks, you can't just pick a film stock or "pro mist" setting like you can in other plug-ins. I say VV is a keeper and with a few tweaks with the existing filters I think most people would be happy with the 'film look' you can get out of it.

Also, RE about rextilleons post - you don't need DVFilm maker if you use VV 4.0b as VV now does 'exactly' what DVFilm maker does as far as the conversions go.

Can you clarify? It is my understanding that DVF 'scans' the frame for movement and only affects those areas. Is Vegas doing this now?

So it is possible to convert the 30i into 24p and have it look clean. It would be nice if they had a filter with film grain stock's like Combustion has built into it but oh well. One other thing I notice about film is that it seems to have smoother blacks that has softer shadowing any ideas on how to simulte that? If that makes any since.

Note: DV Filmmaker provides some additional capabilities beyond 24pDV pulldown add/remove...so you still might need it. There's a free demo.

Is this tutorial still active? I can't seem to access it.

ftp://dude:sweet@ftp.sonicfoundry.com/Sample%20Projects/intercutting%20film%20and%20video/

Thanks

That tut is, correct me if I am wrong, based on an older version of VV. Also it really only tells you haw to add grain and do a conversion to 24. It is a start but, and this issue has been debated time and time again on many many forums, simply adding some nosie to the video does not make it film looking. But if you are matching video to film, and that is what the tut is about, you may have to add some noise. I think the basic help file in the new VV 4b has a better tut on how to do the 30 > 24P conversions. What would be better is a new tut on basic color curver settings for emulating different film stocks and maybe basic glow settings to mimic various filters.

The question about the black in film makes perfect sense and IMHO Magic Bullet so far is the best for doing that. They also have some pre-set looks that will give you a nice pro-mist looking black glow effect. Also, I think, three basic film looks for getting the blacks blacker. *BUT* keep in mind, as I said before, MB is a render hog and you need After Effects to use it. In VV you will need to play with the Glow filter and the Levels (gamma setting) to somewhat duplicate it. Good thing is that once you get a look yo ulike you can save it and the render time for VV is a lot faster than After Effects with the MB look suite in use.

Filmy where do you learn these things from!! just tried the glow and level filters and made adjustments and saved the settings "AWESOME"

"There is a tutorial on how to get film cadence and grain here:

ftp://ftp.sonicfoundry.com
user: dude
password: sweet
folder: Sample Projects/intercutting film and video

-or-

ftp://dude:sweet@ftp.sonicfoundry.com/Sample%20Projects/intercutting%20film%20and%20video/"

There have been a number of references to useful material at this location, but I am *never* allowed access to even be able to enter a user id or password. How do I get there properly?

Regards,
Neil Porter